I have a question that I have not been able to find the answer to. There are some command cards that specify when a specific commander issues an order to a unit a specific effect occurs. The command card General Kenobi for example. But what if one of those orders goes to a unit with comms relay, and then is passed on to another unit? Does that order still come from Kenobi?

So for the above example. A republic player plays the command card General Kenobi and issues one of the orders to a BARC speeder with comms relay, and then the BARC passes the order on to a unit of clones. Does that unit of clones gain the benefit from the order as coming from Kenobi? Or does the order now come from the BARC, and the unit of clones no longer gains the special benefit from the command card?

12 minutes ago, DFocke said:

But what if one of those orders goes to a unit with comms relay, and then is passed on to another unit? Does that order still come from Kenobi?

Nope! The unit with comms relay is issuing the order in this case. So you don't get the benefits from cards that require the commander to issue the order.

Same goes for Coordinate. So B1s can't chain and give everyone a surge from Grievous' 3-pip.

28 minutes ago, nashjaee said:

Nope! The unit with comms relay is issuing the order in this case. So you don't get the benefits from cards that require the commander to issue the order.

Same goes for Coordinate. So B1s can't chain and give everyone a surge from Grievous' 3-pip.

pretty sure you got that wrong nash, because you are just passing the order along not giving the order with comms relay, and i know for a fact that if you play a command card and HQ a unit still gains the benefit of the command card played and since you are issuing an order to yourself and it works then it works with comms relay. also B1s also gain the benefit

I guess my confusion comes from the wording. Other cards or key words that let you issue orders outside of command cards specify who is issuing the order. Such as coordinate (the unit with the key word), Entourage (again the unit with the key word), or hq uplink (issuing an order to yourself). Comms relay does not have this specification. Only to issue an order to the nominated unit instead. If the card read you issue an order to the the nominated unit instead, I would fully agree.

17 minutes ago, shuntley said:

and i know for a fact that if you play a command card and HQ a unit still gains the benefit of the command card played and since you are issuing an order to yourself and it works then it works with comms relay.

This is true when the command card doesn't specify that the order must come from the commander to trigger the abbility, but not for the cases in the question or the example from nashjaee as Grievous' and Obi's 3 pips, as those explicitly state that the order must come from Grievous or Obi's, so HQ Uplink doesn't work for those cases.

18 minutes ago, DFocke said:

I guess my confusion comes from the wording. Other cards or key words that let you issue orders outside of command cards specify who is issuing the order. Such as coordinate (the unit with the key word), Entourage (again the unit with the key word), or hq uplink (issuing an order to yourself). Comms relay does not have this specification. Only to issue an order to the nominated unit instead. If the card read you issue an order to the the nominated unit instead, I would fully agree.

My understanding is that the unit with Comms Relay is issuing the order. The " you may choose a friendly unit at range 1-2" comes just right before the "Issue an order to the chosen unit", so I think that the "you" in the last sentence is implied.

4 hours ago, Lemmiwinks86 said:

My understanding is that the unit with Comms Relay is issuing the order. The " you may choose a friendly unit at range 1-2" comes just right before the "Issue an order to the chosen unit", so I think that the "you" in the last sentence is implied.

Exactly this. The "you" is implied in the card, making the unit with Comms Relay the source of the new order.

5 hours ago, shuntley said:

and i know for a fact that if you play a command card and HQ a unit still gains the benefit of the command card played and since you are issuing an order to yourself and it works then it works with comms relay. also B1s also gain the benefit

It depends on the wording of the command card. Most of the effects just check for a unit with an order, some check for the source of the order. For example, Leia's No Time For Sorrows works on any unit that was issued an order because it says "When a friendly trooper is issued ...". So if you use HQ Uplink to give yourself an order, you were indeed issued an order and get to perform the free move.

Compare that to Jyn's Trust Goes Both Ways. This one says "When Jyn Erso issues an order ...", in which case HQ Uplink does not allow you to gain the benefits of Teamwork because you issued the order yourself; Jyn did not issue the order to you.

5 hours ago, shuntley said:

pretty sure you got that wrong nash, because you are just passing the order along not giving the order with comms relay, and i know for a fact that if you play a command card and HQ a unit still gains the benefit of the command card played and since you are issuing an order to yourself and it works then it works with comms relay. also B1s also gain the benefit

trust me. it isn't the commander issuing the order. I had a long, long discussion with LJ on this topic and it was said by the Devs that "comms relay is issued from the unit with the card" on the discord. Trust Goes Both Ways would be the most broken card ever. There would also be shenanigans with smoke screen, and a few other cards.

19 minutes ago, Cleto0 said:

trust me. it isn't the commander issuing the order. I had a long, long discussion with LJ on this topic and it was said by the Devs that "comms relay is issued from the unit with the card" on the discord. Trust Goes Both Ways would be the most broken card ever. There would also be shenanigans with smoke screen, and a few other cards.

Lol, I remember this discussion 😉 it was indeed long.

So if the order is being issued by the unit with the comms relay, what about if R2 has comms relay and you play Smoke Screen? Can R2 pass his order on to another unit and have that unit benefit from the special rules? The order would still be coming from R2.

Hopefully this gets cleared up with the next update of the rules reference. I'd like to have something a little more official than someone on the forums had a conversation with the LJ on discord.

9 minutes ago, DFocke said:

So if the order is being issued by the unit with the comms relay, what about if R2 has comms relay and you play Smoke Screen? Can R2 pass his order on to another unit and have that unit benefit from the special rules? The order would still be coming from R2.

Yes this works. R2 is still issuing the order.

9 minutes ago, DFocke said:

Hopefully this gets cleared up with the next update of the rules reference. I'd like to have something a little more official than someone on the forums had a conversation with the LJ on discord.

Luke Eddy, one of the Legion developers, was there. But we only bring this up as further evidence of how the interaction works (not to say “it works this way because some random conversation happened somewhere”). The RRG and the card text stand on their own.

12 minutes ago, DFocke said:

So if the order is being issued by the unit with the comms relay, what about if R2 has comms relay and you play Smoke Screen? Can R2 pass his order on to another unit and have that unit benefit from the special rules? The order would still be coming from R2.

Hopefully this gets cleared up with the next update of the rules reference. I'd like to have something a little more official than someone on the forums had a conversation with the LJ on discord.

Right! this is why I think r2 shouldn't leave home without comms relay, it makes smoke screen a second NTFS if you bring leia.

on the second bit, I had this convo and then Luke Eddy showed up and cleared it up about a week later. I was stating my own personal experience to show that it is a quite common question. Hope this has been informative.

Yes! Thank you, and it has. I would just like to have something a bit more official to show some of the guys I play with who avoid the forums like the plague. This was in fact the ruling I thought most likely. But there are a couple people I play with who argue that since other cards specify who is issuing the orders, and comms relay does not, then the order is still issued by the commander who's command card was played. But then there is one guy who argues that since comms relay does not specify who issues the order that no one counts as having issued the order. And I understand that it is implied by the comms relay card that the unit with comms relay is issuing the order, but these are some RAW types, and "implied" is not a word that they like.

Iirc the word "you" on the card means the unit who owns the card so if R2 has a relay you=R2