I just want to check something with regards to infiltrate. You have to position beyond range 3.

Beyond: A unit is beyond a range if no portion of the miniature’s base is between the first segment of the range ruler and the end of the segment that corresponds to the specified range.

At: A unit is at a range if the portion of a miniature’s base that is closest to the object from which range is being measured is inside the segment that corresponds to that range.

If the base of the mini being measured to touches the raised line between two range-ruler segments without crossing it, the mini is at the lower range segment that the line separates.

So if I position a unit leader touching the raised line between the two range ruler segments without crossing it is this technically beyond range 3 , but still at range 3 the base of the mini is beyond the end segment , but touches the line.

I've always played it that you are at range 4 unless you move, but is it possible I'm wrong here and you can place a unit beyond range 3 but still be at range 3 for attack purposes.

I'm not looking for an answer of how someone plays it themselves with the games with my friends we already have our own ruling Im looking for an official answer. In reading it seems to me that you can position touching the line and still be beyond range 3, or does the point you become at range 3 stop you from being beyond (and give versa) which is how I play it.

If the mini is touching the line then its "at", not "beyond"

51 minutes ago, Lemmiwinks86 said:

If the mini is touching the line then its "at", not "beyond"

Beyond: A unit is beyond a range if no portion of the miniature’s base is between the first segment of the range ruler and the end of the segment that corresponds to the specified range

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Just to clarify us that your answer or is this something you know for certain because while I also agree with that interpretation technically if your base is touching the end of the segment it does not have to be between the first segment and end of of the range 3 segment , it is sitting on it not between it, so can you confirm that what you say and what I believe is also the "official" response.

Edit just to also confirm I've asked several questions now via the rules response forms and never had one reply yet hence why I asked here after 4 submissions on this question alone in the last 2/3 months

10 hours ago, syrath said:

Beyond: A unit is beyond a range if no portion of the miniature’s base is between the first segment of the range ruler and the end of the segment that corresponds to the specified range

j

Just to clarify us that your answer or is this something you know for certain because while I also agree with that interpretation technically if your base is touching the end of the segment it does not have to be between the first segment and end of of the range 3 segment , it is sitting on it not between it, so can you confirm that what you say and what I believe is also the "official" response.

Edit just to also confirm I've asked several questions now via the rules response forms and never had one reply yet hence why I asked here after 4 submissions on this question alone in the last 2/3 months

My certainty comes more from the definition of this terms from Armada, which I know its not the same. The definition of "beyond" in Legion is really poor written in my opinion and I agree that it could lead to think that if the mini just touches the line is "beyond" that range, unless they give us a definition of "between" that is different from the definition of the actual english word 😋 . But from a games point of view (as well as from reality) it wouldn't make sense that something is "at" and "beyond" range of something.

4 hours ago, Lemmiwinks86 said:

My certainty comes more from the definition of this terms from Armada, which I know its not the same. The definition of "beyond" in Legion is really poor written in my opinion and I agree that it could lead to think that if the mini just touches the line is "beyond" that range, unless they give us a definition of "between" that is different from the definition of the actual english word 😋 . But from a games point of view (as well as from reality) it wouldn't make sense that something is "at" and "beyond" range of something.

Yeah that's my thinking , however as I'm sure you can guess it does make a major difference for infiltrate , as it leads to - can you set up touching the line for range 3 or do you need to be 1 mm off.

On 10/5/2019 at 8:17 PM, syrath said:

Yeah that's my thinking , however as I'm sure you can guess it does make a major difference for infiltrate , as it leads to - can you set up touching the line for range 3 or do you need to be 1 mm off.

For me it is pretty clear. Anything that is beyond the line and doesn't touch it is considered beyond range 3. If it touches the line then it is at range 2.

Also, for attack purposes you're supposed to measure from the centre of your unit leader's base , so I don't see how you'd ever be in a position to be both beyond and at range 3 simultaneously since you have to add those extra cm to the distance.

1 hour ago, famado said:

Also, for attack purposes you're supposed to measure from the centre of your unit leader's base , so I don't see how you'd ever be in a position to be both beyond and at range 3 simultaneously since you have to add those extra cm to the distance.

All ranges are measured from the edge of a mini's base. The only time the center is relevant is when checking for cover.

"To measure range, a player places the start of the range
ruler so it touches the base of the mini that range is being
measured from. Then, they point the range ruler toward
the mini that range is being measured to. The number of
segments (and partial segments) of the range ruler that lie
between the bases of the two minis is the range."

Otherwise, yeah I generally agree that "at" and "beyond" are mutually exclusive measurements.

I completely agree with all of what you guys are saying, I just feel that the rulebook could lead you to believe that you can both be at range 3 (just touching the line) and beyond range 3 ( not between the markers)

21 hours ago, nashjaee said:

All ranges are measured from the edge of a mini's base. The only time the center is relevant is when checking for cover.

Well s***...

Thanks! Now it actually makes sense!

How have I been playing this for months wrong? We mostly use small bases in our games so it's not so much of an issue, but I really gotta start paying more attention to the rulebook.