Daisy Chain: Coordinate and Comms Relay

By cosmonaut, in Rules

(As always, I apologize if this has been asked, but I looked and could not find the answer.)

Can you increase the number of orders issued to corps units by daisy-chaining "Coordinate: Emplacement Trooper" with "Comms Relay?"

Let's say, hypothetically, I build a list with Luke, five Rebel Veterans, and three Laser Cannon Teams with Comms Relay. Would I be able to play "My Ally is the Force" and issue an order to all five Rebel Veterans, thus giving all five of them an order token and two dodge tokens?

The way it looks to me is that you can loop issuing an order to a Rebel Veteran, thus issuing a free order token to an emplacement trooper, and then using comms relay to issue that order to another Rebel Veteran (starting the process over).

The Comms Relay means that rebel veteran unit never received the order, since it goes to another unit instead. In the example, you'd only issue orders to 2 rebel veterans (giving them each 2 dodge tokens) and then to 2 emplacement troopers. Now if you equipped HQ Uplink to the other veterans, it could generate an order on the veterans by exhausting the upgrade and then an order to any nearby emplacement trooper.

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My bad, your interpretation is right.

Edited by Weikel
For responding too early in the morning and not fully comprehending the question.
3 hours ago, cosmonaut said:

(As always, I apologize if this has been asked, but I looked and could not find the answer.)

Can you increase the number of orders issued to corps units by daisy-chaining "Coordinate: Emplacement Trooper" with "Comms Relay?"

Let's say, hypothetically, I build a list with Luke, five Rebel Veterans, and three Laser Cannon Teams with Comms Relay. Would I be able to play "My Ally is the Force" and issue an order to all five Rebel Veterans, thus giving all five of them an order token and two dodge tokens?

The way it looks to me is that you can loop issuing an order to a Rebel Veteran, thus issuing a free order token to an emplacement trooper, and then using comms relay to issue that order to another Rebel Veteran (starting the process over).

I believe that interpretation is correct.

1 hour ago, Weikel said:

The Comms Relay means that rebel veteran unit never received the order, since it goes to another unit instead. In the example, you'd only issue orders to 2 rebel veterans (giving them each 2 dodge tokens) and then to 2 emplacement troopers. Now if you equipped HQ Uplink to the other veterans, it could generate an order on the veterans by exhausting the upgrade and then an order to any nearby emplacement trooper.

He's talking about putting the Comms Relay on the Emplacement.

That is a nice synergy. 5 points for an automatic relay back to base. Only issue is that fire support that comes with them would then be lost for the round. Still, something to keep in mind...

6 hours ago, cosmonaut said:

Let's  say, hypothetically, I build a list with Luke, five Rebel Veterans, and three Laser Cannon Teams with Comms Relay. Would I be able to play "My Ally is the Force" and issue an order to all five Rebel Veterans, thus giving all five of them an order token and two dodge tokens?

The  way  it looks to me is that you can loop issuing an order to a Rebel Veteran, thus issuing a free order token to an emplacemen  t tr  oo  p  er, a  nd then using comms relay to issue that order to another Rebel Veteran (starting the process over). 

Assuming this build is legal, yeah looks legit. You’d have to make sure they’re lined up perfectly because you can’t use the same emplacement trooper twice for that (once you’ve used your comms relay you can’t be issued another order).

Edited by nashjaee
7 hours ago, cosmonaut said:

(As always, I apologize if this has been asked, but I looked and could not find the answer.)

Can you increase the number of orders issued to corps units by daisy-chaining "Coordinate: Emplacement Trooper" with "Comms Relay?"

Let's say, hypothetically, I build a list with L  uke, five Rebel Veterans, and three Laser Cannon Teams with Comms Relay. Would I be able to play "My Ally is the Force" and issue an order to all five Rebel Veterans, thus giving all five of them an order token and two dodge tokens?

The way it looks to me is that you can loop issuing an order to a Rebel Veter  an, thus issuing a free o  rder token to an emplacement trooper, and then using comms relay to issue that order to another Rebel Veteran (starting the process over).

one thing to keep in mind is you can only issue orders once per round. so with comms relay when you bounce the order off the emplacement trooper to another vet you can't give them another order that round or reuse that card.

2 hours ago, nashjaee said:

Assuming this build is legal, yeah looks legit. You’d have to make sure they’re lined up perfectly because you can’t use the same emplacement trooper twice for that (once you’ve used your comms relay you can’t be issued another order).

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53 minutes ago, azeronbloodmoone said:

one thing to keep in mind is you can only issue orders once per round. so with comms relay when you bounce the order off the emplacement trooper to another vet you can't give them another order that round or reuse that card. 

Yeah, I remembered that ruling on not being able to re-issue orders, which is why I needed three different hypothetical emplacement troopers. As for their alignment, I think it is a bit far-fetched of me to presume that I would be able to perfectly arrange my army to use this synergy on anything but the first couple of rounds, but this was more about rules questioning rather than strategy.

though... could be an interesting way to advance corps units with a little more safety (2 dodge tokens pre-activation) on that first or second round, especially since the new emplacement troopers will be a lot cheaper.

That is assuming that they would even get the dodge token given through Luke's command card. I vaguely remember hearing that units don't get the benefit of a card if they issue an order to themselves. Would that apply to this situation? Unless they errata'd "My Ally is the Force" the requirement just says "when a friendly trooper unit is issued an order", which seems to align with the text on comms relay.

3 minutes ago, cosmonaut said:

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Yeah, I remembered that ruling on not being able to re-issue orders, which is why I needed three different hypothetical emplacement troopers. As for their alignment, I think it is a bit far-fetched of me to presume that I would be able to perfectly arrange my army to use this synergy on anything but the first couple of rounds, but this was more about rules questioning rather than strategy.

though... could be an interesting way to advance corps units with a little more safety (2 dodge tokens pre-activation) on that first or second round, especially since the new emplacement troopers will be a lot cheaper.

That is assuming that they would even get the dodge token given through Luke's command card. I vaguely remember hearing that units don't get the benefit of a card if they issue an order to themselves. Would that apply to this situation? Unless they errata'd "My Ally is the Force" the requirement just says "when a friendly trooper unit is issued an order", which seems to align with the text on comms relay.

so with this set up if you have all of your troopers and emplacements within range 1 of each other yes you could get 5 troopers a dodge token but its very situational.
1. issue to first vet trooper gains dodge token.
2. coordinate fire triggers.
3. comms relay that unit to another vet trooper.
4. that vet trooper gets a token instead which gives dodge and triggers coordinate fire.
5. repeat for all three emplacement troopers.
6. issue 2nd trooper from my ally is the force.
also one other thing to keep in mind is alex davy has come out and said that the emplacement troopers you get with the vet trooper their card isn't support. (this will be a trooper rank unit most likely) so this will limit your chances of doing this if they aren't attach to your vet troopers which wouldn't get the benefit of the bouncing of the coordinate fire.

52 minutes ago, cosmonaut said:

That is assuming that they would even get the dodge token given through Luke's command card. I vaguely remember hearing that units don't get the benefit of a card if they issue an order to themselves. Would that apply to this situation? Unless they errata'd "My Ally is the Force" the requirement just says "when a friendly trooper unit is issued an order", which seems to align with the text on comms relay.

It depends on the wording on the card. You have it right that everyone gets a dodge token in the case of My Ally is the Force no matter how they receive that order token.

The wording on Sabine's 3-pip is different, for example. It says "When Sabine Wren issues an order [...]". So in that case HQ Uplink and other effects wouldn't work with it.