If Vader uses his force push to trigger the standby from Krennic order to attack (move + relentless), could he then attack again with one of his actions?
Vader and krennic's standby
If you are asking- Darth Vader with a standby token (gained any way prior, though in this case from Krennic's command card: Deploy the Garrison) Activates then uses his upgrade card Force Push to pull/push a enemy trooper unit close enough so that Darth Vader may use the standby token to do a free movement ending in base contact with them, followed by using Relentless keyword to attack.... then end his activation, then attack again... No.
Reason being is he attacked in his activation...how else would he use Force Push!? You may only attack once per activation regardless if it is a attack action or free attack action. Also, he loses the standby token either by using it and/or attacking that activation.
However, if the conditions to use the standby token happen before Darth Vader activated that round, then he may use the standby token doing whatever able to do even attack if able. Then, later when activates may attack again if able since only has one attack after activating from then on til end of round.
Hopefully that helps, and I didn't goof on anything.
Edited by TokousOn 4/21/2019 at 3:20 AM, Ringmaster80 said:If Vader uses his force push to trigger the standby from Krennic order to attack (move + relentless), could he then attack again with one of his actions?
Performing any kind of action also causes you to lose your standby token. So if you use Force Push you'd lose the standby and can't trigger it.
1 hour ago, nashjaee said:Performing any kind of action also causes you to lose your standby token. So if you use Force Push you'd lose the standby and can't trigger it.
But you could force push *as* your standby action right? You couldn't attack prior to activation, but you could pull someone into melee I think?
Also relevant to the OP's question/intent I think you can:
Standby->Saber Throw attack before activating, and then attack normally in your activation.
Or...
Standby->Move, trigger Relentles, Saber Throw attack before activating, and then attack normally in your activation.
Or...
Standby->Move into Melee, trigger Relentless and attacking in Melee, and then attack normally in your activation.
20 minutes ago, CaptainRocket said:But you could force push *as* your standby action right? You couldn't attack prior to activation, but you could pull someone into melee I think?
No, Standby action is only a Free Move or Free Attack, not a free card action.
40 minutes ago, CaptainRocket said:Standby->Saber Throw attack before activating, and then attack normally in your activation.
Or...
Standby->Move, trigger Relentles, Saber Throw attack before activating, and then attack normally in your activation.
Or...
Standby->Move into Melee, trigger Relentless and attacking in Melee, and then attack normally in your activation .
Yeah, those are all legal. Can't use force push when you spend the standby because you're limited to a move action or an attack action (saber throw still works because it counts as an attack action even though it's also a card action).
2 hours ago, Tokous said:If you are asking- Darth Vader with a standby token (gained any way prior, though in this case from Krennic's command card: Deploy the Garrison) Activates then uses his upgrade card Force Push to pull/push a enemy trooper unit close enough so that Darth Vader may use the standby token to do a free movement ending in base contact with them, followed by using Relentless keyword to attack.... then end his activation, then attack again... No.
Reason being is he attacked in his activation...how else would he use Force Push!? You may only attack once per activation regardless if it is a attack action or free attack action. Also, he loses the standby token either by using it and/or attacking that activation.
However, if the conditions to use the standby token happen before Darth Vader activated that round, then he may use the standby token doing whatever able to do even attack if able. Then, later when activates may attack again if able since only has one attack after activating from then on til end of round.
Hopefully that helps, and I didn't goof on anything.
My thinking was: Vader(with standby) activates->force push->uses the standby token and attack the pushed unit->attacks again with one of his 2 remaining actions.
I had 2 doubts:
1-Does he lose the standby token if he uses the force push?
2-If the answer to 1 is no, can he attack again during his activation?
Sorry if it wasn't clear
Since @nashjaee already answered to question #1, i guess he can't do what i was thinking(thank god!)
Thank you all for your help!
5 hours ago, Ringmaster80 said:My thinking was: Vader(with standby) activates->force push->uses the standby token and attack the pushed unit->attacks again with one of his 2 remaining actions.
I had 2 doubts:
1-Does he lose the standby token if he uses the force push?
2-If the answer to 1 is no, can he attack again during his activation?
Sorry if it wasn't clear
Since @nashjaee already answered to question #1, i guess he can't do what i was thinking(thank god!)
Thank you all for your help!
Here’s the relevant rules from Standby (pg55):
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After an enemy unit attacks, moves, or performs an action,
if that unit is at range 1–2 and in line of sight of a unit with
a standby token, that unit may spend that standby token to
perform a free attack action or a free move action.
and bullet points that relate as well---
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• A unit cannot perform a standby action if it has performed
an attack during its activation.
• If a trooper unit gains a suppression token or performs a
move, an attack, or an action, it removes any standby tokens
it has.
So, to work through what you have:
1) Krennic plays "Deploy the Garrison”, issuing an order to Vader
2) At the start of the Activation Phase, Vader preforms free Standby Action (per Command card)
If...
3) Vader activates. If he moves or attacks or force chokes, he looses the standby token (per rules). Thus, he would not gain any other bonus attack.
However...
3) Vader waits until an enemy unit moves or preforms an attack within range 1-2 of him and is in LOS. Then, Vader may spend the Standby Token. He may then move and use relentless, or he may attack (saber throw or melee).
4) Later in Round, Vader activates. He may then go through his normal 2 actions. Including an attack action, since the previous attack came out of activation.
Krennic’s card is the only way that someone can (currently) gain a standby outside of their own activation. Opens up a lot of interesting possibilities-- including being able to trigger extra attacks.
Note, that receiving a Suppression token will remove the Standby token-- which has been one of the banes of its usefulness. However, with Vader, he cannot receive Suppression-- so this does become powerful.
You may only get a Saber throw (3 dice) attack out of the standby, but it’s better than nothing. (Unless you end a turn in melee with someone, then issue Deploy the Garrison on the following turn...
Hope this gives more clarity...