[Ruling] Shiotome Heroine

By Bayushi Shunsuke, in L5R LCG: Rules Discussion

Is the honor exchange from the bid dial comparison during a duel considered to have been caused by the card that initiated the duel, or is it a separate effect tied to the frame work resolution steps of duels?

Just now, Bayushi Shunsuke said:

Is the honor exchange from the bid dial comparison during a duel considered to have been caused by the card that initiated the duel, or is it a separate effect tied to the frame work resolution steps of duels?

The honor exchange due to honor bids during a duel is a framework step, and will not ready Shiotome Heroine.

[Tyler Parrott: Dec 26, 2018]

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We have a ruling that duels under the new template are considered a card effect for cards like Mantra of Earth and Above Question that prevent targeting. We also have a ruling that Shitome Heroine won't ready from the honour transfer of a duel (D5) because that is considered a framework effect , not a card effect . Which steps of a duel are card effect and which are framework ? As an example, is D8 a card or framework effect ? These two rulings look contradictory since they're both a direct result of 'initiate a duel - resolve the duel' and seem like they should have the same logic applied.

The instructions of a card ability that say to “initiate a duel” count as part of that ability (which is why Mantra of Earth and Above Question stop it). When resolving the effect that says to “resolve the duel,” you go through the series of framework steps to resolve the duel, applying any modifiers granted by the card effect to the dueling characters (for example, Challenge on the Fields). The duel results (D8) are part of the card’s effect as the effect specifies what happens at this point.

To that end, “initiating a duel” (D.1) is considered part of a card ability, as it determines which characters can be chosen for the card’s effect , while the process of calculating a duel’s result (D.2-D.7 and D.9) are framework steps that can be modified by card effects (again, see Challenge on the Fields). The duel’s results (D.8) are determined by the card effect and are not a framework step.

The core logic is that “initiate a duel” is never a framework step as the parameters are sometimes determined by the text on the card, while every step in “resolving a duel” that is not written on the card is a framework step. As the duel’s results (D.8) are written on the card, those effects are not a framework step.

[Tyler Parrott, Feb 19 2020]