2 hours ago, GreenDragoon said:

But all of them seem to voluntarily fight one armed.

You just described my entire 2e life in one sentence.

Unless we see some massive shifts, I feel like I picked the wrong faction.

ME

Everyone else

8 hours ago, GreenDragoon said:

@RStan might be the other person to play it on a high enough level. I don't know who else. Which makes it all the more frustrating when it is still mentioned as top list, even though many if not most people have been struggling for what is now what, 9 months (!)?

But let's see what happens in a week.

I haven't put 5As back on the board since the points update. Not in disbelief, but because I wanted to fly Separatist swarm more. I defer all 5A expertise these days to Bartosz (Is that @kenoslaw ?).

Granted the new RZ2s have my full attention when those come out so I might pick it back up assuming (and hoping) Order 66 is executed. Although so many things could change elsewhere that might grab my attention too...

On 1/3/2020 at 5:58 AM, RStan said:

I haven't put 5As back on the board since the points update. Not in disbelief, but because I wanted to fly Separatist swarm more. I defer all 5A expertise these days to Bartosz (Is that @kenoslaw ?).

Granted the new RZ2s have my full attention when those come out so I might pick it back up assuming (and hoping) Order 66 is executed. Although so many things could change elsewhere that might grab my attention too...

It is me.

I am looking for new points/pilots aswell, i really want to see Zizi, maybe Ronith aswell, they may swing some matchups towards Awing side, i tend to name Awing a snowball effect list (both ways, early fubar and you lose, early dmg spike and you win, especially in my aggressive playstyle).

I've seen a lot of people really down play Ronith, but exclusively in a 5A list, the ability seems pretty good. Especially if Zizi is also in the squad. There are plenty of turns where you have ships that didn't end up using a focus that Ronith can take a huge advantage of. Granted it's less likely when all the As have Adv Optics, but Ronith's offensive output is ridiculously consistent if Adv Optics & Heroic is equipped and the ability is turned on. Literally 99% chance of 2 hits (force charge used to represent Ronith ability).

5A is still high on my Hyperspace radar, depending on what gets pulled out of Hyperspace.

I'm still skeptical I have the required skill to do well with it in a full extended meta.

@gennataos Zizi is 40, Rey new to 70!

This looks like a strict improvement as I never valued Zari much. I have Tallie for the initiative, but... not so sure there

Wave6 5A

(36) Tallissan Lintra [RZ-2 A-wing]
(1) Heroic
Points: 37

(40) Zizi Tlo [RZ-2 A-wing]
(1) Heroic
(4) Advanced Optics
Points: 45

(36) Greer Sonnel [RZ-2 A-wing]
(1) Heroic
(4) Advanced Optics
Points: 41

(34) Ronith Blario [RZ-2 A-wing]
(1) Heroic
(4) Advanced Optics
Points: 39

(32) Blue Squadron Recruit [RZ-2 A-wing]
(1) Heroic
(4) Advanced Optics
Points: 37

Total points: 199

e: crack on greer in extended

I’m leaning here to start, maybe

New Squadron

(40) Zizi Tlo [RZ-2 A-wing]
(4) Advanced Optics
Points: 44

(36) Tallissan Lintra [RZ-2 A-wing]
(1) Heroic
(4) Advanced Optics
Points: 41

(36) Greer Sonnel [RZ-2 A-wing]
(1) Heroic
(4) Advanced Optics
Points: 41

(32) Blue Squadron Recruit [RZ-2 A-wing]
(1) Heroic
(4) Advanced Optics
Points: 37

(32) Blue Squadron Recruit [RZ-2 A-wing]
(1) Heroic
(4) Advanced Optics
Points: 37

Total points: 200

2 hours ago, gennataos said:

I’m leaning here to start, maybe

Oh I didn't realize that you can fit all that!

By the way, what were the problems of 5A that it vanished, and which of those problems were just removed from HS? Because 5A looks like a prime contender for HS now!

Assuming Zizi/Tallie/Greer/BSR x2, who loses Heroic? I'd put Zizi knee-jerk, but that's definitely not right. I figure it's Tallie or one of the BSRs?

Also, I feel like Zizi is going to generate targeting aversion. Two shots against 3 greens with Heroic/Focus? Seems like not great shots, generally.

22 minutes ago, gennataos said:

Assuming Zizi/Tallie/Greer/BSR x2, who loses Heroic?

Not Zizi or Greer, they are too important. My gut says Tallie, but probably rather a BSR? BSR has the advantage of evening out points.

47 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

Not Zizi or Greer, they are too important. My gut says Tallie, but probably rather a BSR? BSR has the advantage of evening out points.

I think a BSR. It just triggers my symmetry, plus that time the BSR gets one-shot in a blank out before firing is going to make me sad. I know it’s going to happen.

In my book Talli loses optics, she’s better to not spend focus (due to shooting first), also that helps Ronith (i run him), BSR has freedom to spend that focus if he didn’t spend it on defence.

1 hour ago, kenoslaw said:

In my book Talli loses optics, she’s better to not spend focus (due to shooting first), also that helps Ronith (i run him), BSR has freedom to spend that focus if he didn’t spend it on offence.

I agree, Ronith really opens up usage not only from Zizi, but also Talli that doesn't want to go all out all the time. If she doesn't happen to get chosen to get shot at or doesn't end up using focus on defense, if Ronith has the same target, he can still take advantage. I'm currently looking at this named RZ2 list . (Granted I have hyperspace in mind so no Crack Shots)

3 hours ago, kenoslaw said:

In my book Talli loses optics, she’s better to not spend focus (due to shooting first), also that helps Ronith (i run him), BSR has freedom to spend that focus if he didn’t spend it on defence.

Yes I would do the exact same, see my build above. I would definitely add Ronith

After couple new points games i think my next go to list will be Zizi/Talli/Greer/Ronith/BSR (dropping adv optics on talli - see above), this list even though it looks similar to the old version, it is more durable less aggressive (especially in HS, where there are no crackshots), you have defensive toolset (Zizi with multi token, Ronith with possible multicalculate) so now it seems awings can rely less on snowball/early damage strategy and play the long game. It's a subtle difference but changes the playstyle (like losing Lulo did before). New pilots add other list building options so that even though it will still be 5A it may perform different depending on pilots and upgrades (actually cracks make huge difference), I am also considering Intimidation for BSR (for more dmg).

Also i am thinking about 4A full auto mode

Zizi Tlo (40)
Heroic (1)
Crack Shot (1)
Proton Rockets (7)
Advanced Optics (4)

Tallissan Lintra (36)
Heroic (1)
Crack Shot (1)
Proton Rockets (7)
Advanced Optics (4)

L’ulo L’ampar (43)
Heroic (1)
Crack Shot (1)
Proton Rockets (7)
Advanced Optics (4)

Ronith Blario (34)
Intimidation (3)
Advanced Optics (4)
Total: 199

Or this:

Zizi Tlo (40)
Heroic (1)
Crack Shot (1)
Proton Rockets (7)
Advanced Optics (4)

Tallissan Lintra (36)
Heroic (1)
Crack Shot (1)
Proton Rockets (7)
Advanced Optics (4)

L’ulo L’ampar (43)
Heroic (1)
Crack Shot (1)
Proton Rockets (7)
Advanced Optics (4)

Greer Sonnel (36)
Heroic (1)
Crack Shot (1)
Advanced Optics (4)
Total: 200

I just realized the Greens dropping means one can do the full Optics/Heroic/Crackshot squad again. Huh.

I'm very confused by reports of a 5A vs. 4 Fang game being anything other that heavily lopsided toward 5A, assuming the 5A player knows how to play A-Wings.

1 minute ago, gennataos said:

I'm very confused by reports of a 5A vs. 4 Fang report being anything other that heavily lopsided toward 5A, assuming the 5A player knows how to play A-Wings.

Agreed

5 minutes ago, gennataos said:

I'm very confused by reports of a 5A vs. 4 Fang game being anything other that heavily lopsided toward 5A, assuming the 5A player knows how to play A-Wings.

4 minutes ago, kenoslaw said:

Agreed

I also agree. But, to be fair, as I said in the thread: a mistake loses you an Awing. Seems to have happened with Tallie early on.

1 minute ago, GreenDragoon said:

I also agree. But, to be fair, as I said in the thread: a mistake loses you an Awing. Seems to have happened with Tallie early on.

Yeah, which leads into the "assuming they know how to play A-Wings" part. I'm trying to imagine a scenario where Tallie sees a box forming and jumps in it.

My rule of thumb regarding flying with awings is "if you're going in with 1 ship, 4 will follow, all balls deep". Yes you might lose a ship, but you have nice follow up, that most opponents don't.

5 hours ago, gennataos said:

I just realized the Greens dropping means one can do the full Optics/Heroic/Crackshot squad again. Huh.

If only extended was real... 😕

I almost forgot crack shot even existed.

3 minutes ago, Bucknife said:

If only extended was real... 😕

I almost forgot crack shot even existed.

It’ll be real for GenCon, I think, which matters to me.

Which is after another points update.

Crap.

Zizi will be so expensive! I'm playing my first game with her right now and WOW! First roll had natties so I just took an evade because why not...