Can hunter be used on a trooper unit that has minis that have only one life? If hit and after being removed no wounded mini exist in the unit.

thx in advance

Funny Defcon

8 minutes ago, Funny Defcon said:

Can hunter be used on a trooper unit that has minis that have only one life? If hit and after being removed no wounded mini exist in the unit.

thx in advance

Funny Defcon

It cannot. In order to be “wounded”, the unit needs a wound token to be present on the board. Refer to the Wounds entry on pages 53-54. So Hunter is only useful against units with multi-wound minis.

I guess I'm a little confused by this.

Under Wounds on page 54 it says:

"A mini with at least one wound token assigned to it is wounded."

"A unit with at least one wounded mini is considered wounded."

Though it does say this under wounds on page 53:

"If a mini suffers a number of wounds equal to its wound threshold, that mini is defeated and removed from the battlefield"

Even if that mini is defeated, it has a wound assigned to it, doesn't that unit maintain it's wounded status?

11 minutes ago, Darth Sanguis said:

I guess I'm a little confused by this.

Under Wounds on page 54 it says:

"A mini with at least one wound token assigned to it is wounded."

"A unit with at least one wounded mini is considered wounded."

Though it does say this under wounds on page 53:

"If a mini suffers a number of wounds equal to its wound threshold, that mini is defeated and removed from the battlefield"

Even if that mini is defeated, it has a wound assigned to it, doesn't that unit maintain it's wounded status?

No, because to be wounded the unit MUST have at least 1 wound token according to the definition, and when a mini reaches its wound treshold it is removed from the battlefield. Although is not explicitly stated, I think that there is no doubt that when you remove that mini, you also remove the tokens that mini had with it

5 minutes ago, Lemmiwinks86 said:

No, because to be wounded the unit MUST have at least 1 wound token according to the definition, and when a mini reaches its wound treshold it is removed from the battlefield. Although is not explicitly stated, I think that there is no doubt that when you remove that mini, you also remove the tokens that mini had with it

Okay but does being "removed from the battlefield" negate receiving a wound? Like yeah, we pull the mini and it's wound token, but that doesn't mean that mini hadn't suffered that wound... Like I guess what I'm thinking is can a unit be both wounded and defeated or does defeated remove the wounded status? They don't tell us much about "defeated" or "removed from the battlefield"...

I'm over thinking this I'm sure, it just seams odd that a unit that has lost a mini wouldn't be considered wounded in my mind. There were 5 guys at game start now there's 2 they've definitely suffered losses lol.

1 hour ago, Darth Sanguis said:

Okay  but  does being "removed from the battlefield" negate receiving a w  oun  d  ? 

Well, the conditional for being wounded is not “had received a wound”, it is “having a wound token”. When the mini is removed, that unit no longer has a wound token.

Compare/contrast the wording of Hunter with the wording of Tenacity. In addition to a “wounded” unit, Tenacity calls out units that have lost at least one mini. We can infer from this that these are two different things (that losing a mini is not the same as being wounded).

9 hours ago, Darth Sanguis said:

does defeated remove the wounded status?

Yes, if a mini no longer exists on the table, it does not have any status (including wounded).

I think your difficulty is in the relationship between unit and mini. You assign Hunter to a unit, but within that unit there must be a wounded mini (a mini with wound tokens assigned to it) for its effect to happen.

14 hours ago, nashjaee said:

Well, the conditional for being wounded is not “had received a wound”, it is “having a wound token”. When the mini is removed, that unit no longer has a wound token.

Compare/contrast the wording of Hunter with the wording of Tenacity. In addition to a “wounded” unit, Tenacity calls out units that have lost at least one mini. We can infer from this that these are two different things (that losing a mini is not the same as being wounded).

5 hours ago, Turan said:

Yes, if a mini no longer exists on the table, it does not have any status (including wounded).

I think your difficulty is in the relationship between unit and mini. You assign Hunter to a unit, but within that unit there must be a wounded mini (a mini with wound tokens assigned to it) for its effect to happen.

These both make a lot of sense.

I also got an official reply from the e-mail service. Y'all are definitely correct. I'm amazed how fast Legion get's it's stuff answered...Armada has to wait months and months...

1 hour ago, Darth Sanguis said:

These both make a lot of sense.

I also got an official reply from the e-mail service. Y'all are definitely correct. I'm amazed how fast Legion get's it's stuff answered...Armada has to wait months and months...

It's not like that with all the questions, I've seen people telling the same as you, that they got their answer right away and another people who waited long or still didn't have it. I sent a question about a month ago and I'm still waiting the reply.
For what I saw about both cases, I think it depends on wheather the question can be answered clearly with the rules we actually have (in that case the answer is very fast) or not (in that case it takes really long for them to answer)