I'm obviously getting the wookies and commanders, not sure what kind of tactical situation they will be good in(wookies), but I want them (Despite being kind of lore breaking due to all the wookies being slaves with the exception of a few here and there). I came from warhammer 40k and Horus Heresy so I'm all about immersion and "Putting myself in the shoes of Generic storm trooper commander #1 or Rebel Sgt #1. So now that I got the rambling out of the way I have a generic idea of what I want to accomplish with my Narrative (My wife and I both like legion and Armada, plus there are a couple of other people I play with for Narrative campaigns.) My concern is not that we have generic officers my issues is I hate how the models look i.e old bald fat dude and a . I'm old school Army Infantry and I never fought alongside women nor had a commanding officer as one. (Not trying to sound sexist or anything because I'm asking about it and have an open mind I'm just trying to justify this in my narrative) That and the imperial officer lust looks horrible as well, horrible stance no military bearing. Last bit of my suedo rant/ questions. I've been playing a ton of awakening of the rebellion mod for EAW and there are a ton of Rebel and Imperial Vehicles that are loreful that should be in legion. T1b speeder for rebels (Speeder tank) and an ITT from both star wars rebels and current canon.

1: is using Proxy models allowed i.e using a custom Veers as a "Generic commander" Using Han Solo with a fleet trooper head as a Generic Commander.

2: Lore or at least ideas on how I can implement wookie warriors into my campaign

3: Are Imperial Assault models roughly the same scale, (At least head a torso) I know the height is off from what I can tell.

4: Which Vehicles should we get please be Realistic (ATAT would be sweet but lets be honest not everyone can justify the cost to their wife and the model would be too massive for normal games at least )

5: How reliable is Mel's and are they a pain to paint?

6: Which Mini game out there has same size minis that I can snag bits from or just convert for officers (I just looked at my 40k stuff and outside of Terminators nothing would work)

Thank you all in advance.

45 minutes ago, Viking171986 said:

1: is using Proxy models allowed i.e using a custom Veers as a "Generic commander" Using Han Solo with a fleet trooper head as a Generic Commander.

No as I understand the letter of the rules on conversions. You COULD use Han with a fleet trooper head as an aesthetically generic commander, but it would have to use Han's rules in-game.

45 minutes ago, Viking171986 said:

3: Are Imperial Assault models roughly the same scale, (At least head a torso) I know the height is off from what I can tell.

No. If you mix them together it looks weird, I did it for a few battles but wouldn't do it after I had any 800 points painted for both factions. They mix in ok but only if you keep the units segregated by scale.

45 minutes ago, Viking171986 said:

4: Which Vehicles should we get please be Realistic (ATAT would be sweet but lets be honest not everyone can justify the cost to their wife and the model would be too massive for normal games at least )

IDGAF, nay not a single one, if we ever get another vehicle, if tauntauns and dewbacks aren't on store shelves.

45 minutes ago, Viking171986 said:

5: How reliable is Mel's and are they a pain to paint?

Who's Mel?

45 minutes ago, Viking171986 said:

6: Which Mini game out there has same size minis that I can snag bits from or just convert for officers (I just looked at my 40k stuff and outside of Terminators nothing would work)

There are custom bits makers already popping up for this. Some 40k may work because 40k used weird scales anyways. The heads were always too big for example.

The Rebel Alliance is an insurgency in many areas of the galaxy, not a traditional military by any means. This means that they wont necessarily have traditional front line commanders and officers. The 'old fat bald' dude was likely a clone wars veteran that was recruited to the Rebels, much like many inner circle command officers, generals and admirals in canon and the EU.

As for the female Imperial Officer, there is precedent in the old EU and the new canon for female commanders, pilots, combat troops and operatives. The Empire only typically cares if you are human (and they will even make exceptions to that rule). In the Original Trilogy we only saw male combatants and officers due to the politics of the time (One of the A-wing pilots in RotJ was actually played by a woman but they dubbed her lines over with a male voice because they thought that seeing a woman die in battle would be 'too upsetting' for general audiences). Now that women have a larger role in modern militaries in the real world we can depict them as having a larger role in the worlds of Star Wars.

That being said, if you are playing home narrative games you can do whatever you want. Proxy models, alter them, or even make up new stats to suit your tastes.

6 minutes ago, KommanderKeldoth said:

The 'old fat bald' dude was likely a clone wars veteran

He's one of the PC figures from Imperial Assault. Gideon Argus, has a whole story already.

2 hours ago, Viking171986 said:

I'm obviously getting the wookies and commanders, not sure what kind of tactical situation they will be good in(wookies), but I want them (Despite being kind of lore breaking due to all the wookies being slaves with the exception of a few here and there). I came from warhammer 40k and Horus Heresy so I'm all about immersion and "Putting myself in the shoes of Generic storm trooper commander #1 or Rebel Sgt #1. So now that I got the rambling out of the way I have a generic idea of what I want to accomplish with my Narrative (My wife and I both like legion and Armada, plus there are a couple of other people I play with for Narrative campaigns.) My concern is not that we have generic officers my issues is I hate how the models look i.e old bald fat dude and a . I'm old school Army Infantry and I never fought alongside women nor had a commanding officer as one. (Not trying to sound sexist or anything because I'm asking about it and have an open mind I'm just trying to justify this in my narrative) That and the imperial officer lust looks horrible as well, horrible stance no military bearing. Last bit of my suedo rant/ questions. I've been playing a ton of awakening of the rebellion mod for EAW and there are a ton of Rebel and Imperial Vehicles that are loreful that should be in legion. T1b speeder for rebels (Speeder tank) and an ITT from both star wars rebels and current canon.

As mentioned before the sculpt of the Rebel officer is Gideon Argus from Imperial Assault, as a side note if you throw some green stuff on his head to make hair you could actually turn him into a Jan Dodonna. You can otherwise further mod him as needed for causal games. I don't think the Rebels were too picky about the makeup of their army, it was more volunteer with most able to just up and leave if they so ever wished for the most part after talking to their CO. The Imperial officer looks less good, though some of the pictures from the booth make her look a little better, and as someone mentioned you can sort of say she is holding her arm in an execution/holding a prisoner kind of pose. While the Imperial Officer from IA doesn't have a real great sculpt you could likely proxy that instead if you wished in causal games. And while there were some women in the EU the new canon has taken the time to add lots of them to the Empire, notably Sloane, who you might know from Armada, and Ciena Ree who is a great character from Lost Stars and is in X-Wing and Armada.

I know I'm looking forward to the personal expansion myself, can't wait to buy a few (3-4) for the astromechs. Hopefully they will come out with Imperial and Rebel pilots, then people can do crossplay with Legion and X-Wing.

2 hours ago, Viking171986 said:

1: is using Proxy models allowed i.e using a custom Veers as a "Generic commander" Using Han Solo with a fleet trooper head as a Generic Commander. 

For tournament play, it would be a big no-no. People have to know at a glance who the mini on the board is and what said figure does in the game. However, in casual so long as the other person agrees to it I see no problem.

2 hours ago, Viking171986 said:

2: Lore or at least ideas on how I can implement wookie warriors into my campaign 

Not all the wookies were enslaved, and some were even freed by rebel forces ala the Pilot episode of Rebels. Could always go with the whole your Rebel forces freed some and they either joined up or swore a life debt due to it.

2 hours ago, Viking171986 said:

3: Are Imperial Assault models roughly the same scale, (At least head a torso) I know the height is off from what I can tell.

Not exactly, there is a bit of give. Again, for casual games or doing proxying it should be fine if you say wanted to use them to add a couple extra squads of troops there or wanted to replace a figure or two. Just know that the bases for Legion and IA are not the same, there is a slight difference which while minimal could affect range and the like. Of course you can always pop them off and put them on Legion bases but the only ones I know of for the game are the alt ones with stuff on them that FFG sells. Now, if you find some generic ones please do tell me so I can try my hand at some customs!

2 hours ago, Viking171986 said:

4: Which Vehicles should we get please be Realistic (ATAT would be sweet but lets be honest not everyone can justify the cost to their wife and the model would be too massive for normal games at least ) 

For this game, we likely will see mostly more canon stuff. I listed some stuff below, but with the Clone Wars coming vehicles from that could be added, and in casual games there is nothing to say it wouldn't be used by Imperials as older stuff or that the Rebels might steal some to use for their needs like the AT-RT.

Empire:

- Likely: Occupier Tank (Rogue One and Rebels), AT-DP (Rebels and was made into an Imperial Assault mini), AT-DT (Artillery unit and from Solo), Imperial Troop Transport (It will be added likely sooner rather than later)

- Possible: AT-PT (I love it but has only been in one canon mobile game), Imperial H-1 Tank (Is canon but only shows up in a source book), AT-MP (Shows up in a mobile game), SC2-M Repulsor Tank (Showed up in IA), MTV-7 Light Vehicle (I hope not, but based on a Kenner toy and shows up in some mobile games)

Rebel:

- Likely: T2-B Tank (Has shown up in Vader comics, and is in a mobile game), Freerunner Respularcraft (Is canon and in a mobile game), ULAV (Is canon and in a mobile game), Rebel Troop Carrier (Likely as a counterpart to the Imperial Troop Transport), MLC-3 Light Tank (Based on a Kenner toy but shows up in a comic and mobile game)

- Possible: T-4 B Heavy Tank (Wishful thinking on my part but looks cool and did show up in a number legends of games), Heavy Tracker (Is canon but only shows up in a source book), Arrow Modified Landspeeder (Might step on the toes of the Freerunner and only shows up in a source book)

2 hours ago, Viking171986 said:

5: How reliable is Mel's and are they a pain to paint? 

I haven't had any issues with the stuff I've painted, though it has all been Armada stuff. I think some stuff of his is painted in the painting forum, I know I saw someone using the heads Mel made and they had them all painted up and they looked good.

38 minutes ago, Animewarsdude said:

- Possible: AT-PT (I love it but has only been in one canon mobile game),

It was also in the first miniatures game and had a model produced. But that was over 20 years ago.

I will probably get the officers/droids, and all wookie models. Not likely to get the various commandos, red guards, or emperor.

Just now, TauntaunScout said:

It was also in the first miniatures game and had a model produced. But that was over 20 years ago.

I will probably get the officers/droids, and all wookie models. Not likely to get the various commandos, red guards, or emperor.

Oh I know, I have fond memories of it from Rogue Squadron, but as far as canon sources go its only been in a mobile game.

I'm just bummed about the imperial commander, it is such a poor looking model, I was thinking about doing a conversion of Leia and her and see how it works out, with the rebel officer I mainly can't stand the head so I'm def going to chop it off for one and put a spare fleet trooper head I have (Dog ate the body) and do another conversion of Han/Rebel officer mainly just swapping the arms and head. maybe just use Han as a stand in that way I don't have to destroy two models. it would've been better if they made the models Unisex so we could swap heads if we wanted to. Gift horse and mouth kind of situation I personally don't like using vader he is too slow and Luke/Leia can't be on every battlefield in star wars. (Trying to do an X wing,Armada and Legion campaign fighting over Abregado-Rae,Decent size enough mining planet to make it a good military target but not big enough to bring in a whole sector fleet)

2 hours ago, TauntaunScout said:

It was also in the first miniatures game and had a model produced. But that was over 20 years ago.

I will probably get the officers/droids, and all wookie models. Not likely to get the various commandos, red guards, or emperor.

I have no interest in palps or the Royal guard mainly because the narrative I have for my games I can't fit it into my own head cannon. I'll buy them but I doubt I'll ever use them. When we get Krennic and the death guard I'm going to buy multiple. (Krennic would be a good proxy if the model looks good) Death Troopers because Scout Troopers as special forces psssshhhh. (Still going to buy them just to field a sniper team)

13 hours ago, Animewarsdude said:

Oh I know, I have fond memories of it from Rogue Squadron, but as far as canon sources go its only been in a mobile game.

Canon is capricious fickle. People in suits in far away conference rooms can change it at any time for no predicted reason. There's no reason to think the AT-PT won't show up and no reason to think it will.

11 hours ago, Viking171986 said:

I have no interest in palps or the Royal guard mainly because the narrative I have for my games I can't fit it into my own head cannon. I'll buy them but I doubt I'll ever use them. When we get Krennic and the death guard I'm going to buy multiple. (Krennic would be a good proxy if the model looks good) Death Troopers because Scout Troopers as special forces psssshhhh. (Still going to buy them just to field a sniper team)

I won't buy scout troopers until ewoks are released. Or any other Endor themed models.

I'm going to paint my scout troopers woodland camo at least paint old school bdus under the white armor.

I grew up with the thrawn era Storm troopers, I was also in the army for 10 years so seeing white armor in general triggers me lol. That and I'm starved for competent imperial ground leadership. Who all do we have for infantry commanders? Veers is cav not infantry, palps is a moody space wizard, Vader can't be everywhere. Who else is there that is good? Derricote? He was more of a chemical nerd in xwing.

2 hours ago, Viking171986 said:

I'm going to paint my scout troopers woodland camo at least paint old school bdus under the white armor.

I read a short story years ago that featured a former Scout Trooper with camo armor. He also addressed the silly rumor that Scout troopers at Endor wore white armor and said it was ridiculous, no Scout wort his salt would go out without properly camo'd armor. ?

2 hours ago, Viking171986 said:

I grew up with the thrawn era Storm troopers, I was also in the army for 10 years so seeing white armor in general triggers me lol. That and I'm starved for competent imperial ground leadership. Who all do we have for infantry commanders? Veers is cav not infantry, palps is a moody space wizard, Vader can't be everywhere. Who else is there that is good? Derricote? He was more of a chemical nerd in xwing.

What is different about "Thrawn-era Stormtroopers?" Veers is a pretty good infantry commander right now, he just has one command card that only lets you order vehicles. Once the Personnel Pack with the extra faction-specific command cards come out he'll probably be good to go.

Timothy zahn made them feel elite, for example when they were on mykre the Storm troopers used bounding overwatch in conjunction with at ats, the zero g stormtroopers at I think sluis van we're absolute awesome. So you have elite Storm troopers from heir to the empire and a new hope with the death troopers from rogue one. The rest feel like cannon fodder. Hopefully someday Disney and these new authors can stay consistent.

21 hours ago, KommanderKeldoth said:

The Rebel Alliance is an insurgency in many areas of the galaxy, not a traditional military by any means. This means that they wont necessarily have traditional front line commanders and officers. The 'old fat bald' dude was likely a clone wars veteran that was recruited to the Rebels, much like many inner circle command officers, generals and admirals in canon and the EU.

As for the female Imperial Officer, there is precedent in the old EU and the new canon for female commanders, pilots, combat troops and operatives. The Empire only typically cares if you are human (and they will even make exceptions to that rule). In the Original Trilogy we only saw male combatants and officers due to the politics of the time (One of the A-wing pilots in RotJ was actually played by a woman but they dubbed her lines over with a male voice because they thought that seeing a woman die in battle would be 'too upsetting' for general audiences). Now that women have a larger role in modern militaries in the real world we can depict them as having a larger role in the worlds of Star Wars.

That being said, if you are playing home narrative games you can do whatever you want. Proxy models, alter them, or even make up new stats to suit your tastes.

I didn't think of that, I'll write him in as a clone wars veteran (Didn't even think of that durrrr Rex lol) I don't have an issue with women being in combat outside of proven combat records and statistics, I just wish she had a better model i.e something like Iden Versio or at least give her armor.

11 minutes ago, Viking171986 said:

I didn't think of that, I'll write him in as a clone wars veteran (Didn't even think of that durrrr Rex lol) I don't have an issue with women being in combat outside of proven combat records and statistics, I just wish she had a better model i.e something like Iden Versio or at least give her armor.

She can’t have armour shes an officer they wear uniforms and would otherwise look too much like veers. But the model could be better

1 minute ago, Jabby said:

She can’t have armour shes an officer they wear uniforms and would otherwise look too much like veers. But the model could be better

99% of officer wear it, she looks like a desk jokey not someone who's about to lead the emperors finest into battle.

And before you say something yes I know the officers on Endor didn't wear any hence why they got the crap beat out of them by teddy bears with rocks and a tool box.

2 hours ago, Viking171986 said:

I didn't think of that, I'll write him in as a clone wars veteran (Didn't even think of that durrrr Rex lol) I don't have an issue with women being in combat outside of proven combat records and statistics, I just wish she had a better model i.e something like Iden Versio or at least give her armor.

Iden Versio would have been badass. Though she would be more of an operative. We might some day get her Operative expansion alongside an Inferno Squad special forces expansion.

2 hours ago, Viking171986 said:

Timothy zahn made them feel elite, for example when they were on mykre the Storm troopers used bounding overwatch in conjunction with at ats, the zero g stormtroopers at I think sluis van we're absolute awesome. So you have elite Storm troopers from heir to the empire and a new hope with the death troopers from rogue one. The rest feel like cannon fodder. Hopefully someday Disney and these new authors can stay consistent.

What made stormtroopers "elite" in the old WEG canon, which Zahn was instructed to read, was not their abilities but their loyalty. They couldn't be bribed, seduced, blackmailed, etc. Which was of extreme value in the deadly viper pit that was imperial office politics. It explained what we saw in the movies nicely.

1 hour ago, Viking171986 said:

And before you say something yes I know the officers on Endor didn't wear any hence why they got the crap beat out of them by teddy bears with rocks and a tool box.

Stormtroopers on Endor wore armor, didn't help.

Generally speaking, armor keeps you out of the morgue not the hospital. If you're wearing armor and somebody drops a 20 pound rock on you from 15 feet up, you're out of the fight.

I really don’t like the looks of the Rebel Officer and Comms guy. I think I might use Captain Rex (fought for the alliance) from Mel’s miniatures for the rebel officer. I just need to find a suitable comms guy or stick a helmet or alien head on him.

35 minutes ago, TauntaunScout said:

Stormtroopers on Endor wore armor, didn't help.

Generally speaking, armor keeps you out of the morgue not the hospital. If you're wearing armor and somebody drops a 20 pound rock on you from 15 feet up, you're out of the fight.

I think generation tech did a video on stormtrooper armor and how it's useless to ballistics and blunt trauma. I'm an imperial die hard still salty about the teddy bear death machines.

2 minutes ago, PanzerScott said:

I think I might use Captain Rex (fought for the alliance) from Mel’s miniatures for the rebel officer.

Oh no now they're bringing in Star Tours minis? How can there even be a market for that?