Can't find in the RRG a clear answer:
Case: I move a unit towards an enemy unit with standby. MY leader is at range 2 from his closest mini. HIS leader is a bit off range 2.
Standy range is measured from the leader as usual or from the leader?
Thank you very much.
The rule says:
"After an enemy unit attacks, moves, or performs an action, if that unit is at range 1–2 and in line of sight of a trooper unit with a standby token , that trooper unit may spend that standby token to perform a free attack action or a free move action."
It just say trooper unit, not trooper unit leader, so the range 1-2 can be measured from any mini in the unit with the standby token.
14 minutes ago, Lemmiwinks86 said:The rule says:
"After an enemy unit attacks, moves, or performs an action, if that unit is at range 1–2 and in line of sight of a trooper unit with a standby token , that trooper unit may spend that standby token to perform a free attack action or a free move action."
It just say trooper unit, not trooper unit leader, so the range 1-2 can be measured from any mini in the unit with the standby token.
Hmmm... good question, because when you measure range *from a unit* it's always from the leader.
1 hour ago, Lemmiwinks86 said:The rule says:
"After an enemy unit attacks, moves, or performs an action, if that unit is at range 1–2 and in line of sight of a trooper unit with a standby token , that trooper unit may spend that standby token to perform a free attack action or a free move action."
It just say trooper unit, not trooper unit leader, so the range 1-2 can be measured from any mini in the unit with the standby token.
I don’t think this is correct. All ranges involving units have been *from* the leader *to* any mini. This shouldn’t be any different.
1 hour ago, CaptainRocket said:Hmmm... good question, because when you measure range *from a unit* it's always from the leader.
38 minutes ago, nashjaee said:I don’t think this is correct. All ranges involving units have been *from* the leader *to* any mini. This shouldn’t be any different.
It's true that for the attack works that way, and I think that standby should work the same way as it lets you make an attack, but as it's written my interpretation is that the range is measured from any mini in the unit, as the rule of standby only says "unit" insetad of "unit leader" and there is no general rule in the RRG that says that when you measure range it must always be from the unit leader (or if there is, I couldn't find it)
Edited by Lemmiwinks862 hours ago, Lemmiwinks86 said:
It's true that for the attack works that way, and I think that standby should work the same way as it lets you make an attack, but as it's written my interpretation is that the range is measured from any mini in the unit, as the rule of standby only says "unit" insetad of "unit leader" and there is no general rule in the RRG that says that when you measure range it must always be from the unit leader (or if there is, I couldn't find it)
Hmm, looks like it could use some clarification. As is, it doesn't specify either way when measuring *from* a unit for anything that isn't an attack. It does specify that when measuring *to* a unit you use the closest mini (on page 43 under the "At:" bullet point). This will be even more relevant when commandos are released as that is another case where we are doing a *from* measurement using a multi-model unit outside of an attack (when they have Comms Jammer equipped). My suspicion is that the measurement should depend on the leader, but I'll submit a query.
edit: oh, actually the Comms Jammer example is relevant right now since speeder bikes can use them.
edit again: @Lemmiwinks86 is correct! Range is measured from any mini in the unit when you're not measuring for an attack. So this means it's possible for some units (e.g., Fleet Troopers) to trigger a standby without actually being able to use their ranged weapons.
12 hours ago, Lemmiwinks86 said:The rule says:
"After an enemy unit attacks, moves, or performs an action, if that unit is at range 1–2 and in line of sight of a trooper unit with a standby token , that trooper unit may spend that standby token to perform a free attack action or a free move action."
It just say trooper unit, not trooper unit leader, so the range 1-2 can be measured from any mini in the unit with the standby token.
Range is measured from the leader of the attacking unit to the closest defending unit. Line of sight is then determined from each mini in the attacking unit. Two separate measurements.
52 minutes ago, Qwrety77 said:Range is measured from the leader of the attacking unit to the closest defending unit. Line of sight is then determined from each mini in the attacking unit. Two separate measurements.
That is correct for attacks.
For everything that is not an attack, range is measured from any of the minis, as confirmed above.
The question at hand falls into that second category.
Edited by nashjaee8 hours ago, Qwrety77 said:Range is measured from the leader of the attacking unit to the closest defending unit. Line of sight is then determined from each mini in the attacking unit. Two separate measurements.
You are talking about an attack, in which it's specified that you measure range from the unit leader, so that part is correct. But for other effects like Standby in this case, as it is not specified and the rule only says "unit", you measure range from any mini in the unit, not necessarily the leader.
"After an enemy unit attacks, moves, or performs an action, if that unit is at range 1–2 and in line of sight of a trooper unit with a standby token, that trooper unit may spend that standby token to perform a free attack action or a free move action." Pg 47
Standby let's you attack, thus range is measured from the leader, line of sight is measured from each mini.
1 hour ago, Qwrety77 said:"After an enemy unit attacks, moves, or performs an action, if that unit is at range 1–2 and in line of sight of a trooper unit with a standby token, that trooper unit may spend that standby token to perform a free attack action or a free move action." Pg 47
Standby let's you attack, thus range is measured from the leader, line of sight is measured from each mini.
No, Standby is different from attack, it gives you the option to attack but it's a different action. Thanks to @nashjaee we even have an official response on this matter which confirms this point
22 hours ago, nashjaee said:
Edited by Lemmiwinks86
59 minutes ago, Qwrety77 said:"After an enemy unit attacks, moves, or performs an action, if that unit is at range 1–2 and in line of sight of a trooper unit with a standby token, that trooper unit may spend that standby token to perform a free attack action or a free move action." Pg 47
Standby let's you attack, thus range is measured from the leader, line of sight is measured from each mini.
Yes, attacking is one of the options available to you when you spend a standby token. Moving is another option. However, you're mixing up a few things. Let's take it one step at a time:
When an enemy unit moves, you first make a measurement to see if you can trigger your standby action. Let's call this "A".
After making that measurement (assuming they're in range), you decide on moving or attacking.
If you decide to attack, you make a measurement for that. Let's call this "B".
A and B are measured in different ways. When determining A, you use any of the minis in your unit. When determining B, you use the unit leader. The process you described (range from leader, LOS from each mini) only applies during B because that is specific to the procedure of an attack.
1 hour ago, Lemmiwinks86 said:No, Standby is different from attack, it gives you the option to attack but it's a different action. Thanks to @nashjaee we even have an official response on this matter which confirms this point
Gotcha. I didn't read it right and didn't realize that you were asking about the triggering standby in the first place. That's good to know.
So, the minimum range must be measured from any mini in the standby unit to any mini in the unit triggering standby, right? I'm asking because I think this is the only such case in the entire game; I could be wrong but I think in all other range measurements between corps units one of the minis is always a leader.
12 minutes ago, nyrang said:So, the minimum range must be measured from any mini in the standby unit to any mini in the unit triggering standby, right? I'm asking because I think this is the only such case in the entire game; I could be wrong but I think in all other range measurements between corps units one of the minis is always a leader.
From what I gather (from the RRG text and the clarification from Alex), attack range is actually the exception. That one is measured from leader to closest mini. All other range measurements are as you described.
6 minutes ago, nashjaee said:From what I gather (from the RRG text and the clarification from Alex), attack range is actually the exception. That one is measured from leader to closest mini. All other range measurements are as you described.
Yeah on second thought, I think you're right. Thank you!