20 minutes ago, TauntaunScout said:

I guesstimate a true scale AT-AT would take about 1/4 length of the usual 6x3ish battlefield. If AT-AT's are 20 meters and the game is 1/50th. But I am bad at math and didn't double check if the above "20" and "1/50" are correct.

Credit to @AldousSnow:

Edit: For clarity, if I recall correctly the grey background is supposed to represent a 3'x6' area.

18 minutes ago, Tonytt1642 said:

Speeder and AT ST aren't true scale so I don't think a potential AT AT would be.

Fairly certain those are actually in scale. The Speeder is just WAY tinier than people think.

Bandai 1:48 scale model is on the right. Legion infantry are at 1:46, so is the Legion AT-ST on the left.

Edit 2: Found on https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1972614/vehicles-scale-game

Edit3:

Length in canon is 5.3 meters, which converts to roughly 4.5 inches.

3 hours ago, Caimheul1313 said:

Fairly certain those are actually in scale. The Speeder is just WAY tinier than people think.


Yeah I think you’re right. If you actually pay attention to the size of the speeder in ESB they are not large at all. If the scale in Legion is off it’s not off by a lot.

3 hours ago, Tonytt1642 said:

Speeder and AT ST aren't true scale so I don't think a potential AT AT would be.

They're pretty close. The problem with pygmy AT-AT's is, they look cool next to the people-figures, but once AT-ST's and snowspeeders are on the table, it looks decidedly off.

3 hours ago, Caimheul1313 said:

Credit to @AldousSnow:

So on the GCW one, would the head be big enough for three armored people to walk around in? People debate what happened with various model photography and stuff, so that's the final measuring stick IMO. I think they're supposed to hold 30 troops in the body?

4 hours ago, TauntaunScout said:

So on the GCW one, would the head be big enough for three armored people to walk around in? People debate what happened with various model photography and stuff, so that's the final measuring stick IMO. I think they're supposed to hold 30 troops in the body?

The GCW one is almost 1.5 feet long in scale. Here's an excerpt from a comparison of the GCW AT-AT and the T-47 from the same source :

So the head is larger than the T-47, seems like plenty of room for me.

Supposedly a troop capacity of 40 snowtroopers (in two levels of jump seats, so fairly jammed together) and 5 scout bikes (again, fairly jammed together). A google image search for "at-at cross section" is interesting.

What anti-personal defense did the AT-AT have? I can see a dead spot where the AT-AT cannot fire it's main weapons close range (range 2 to infinity?). I think firing either pair of lasers would be a different attack, and that it would hard to fire at different targets, even in a 90 degree front arc. What about points? Movement is another issue.

I just don't see them adding an AT-AT for a 'standard' game, but it might be added for special scenario(s).

4 minutes ago, Bohemian73 said:

What anti-personal defense did the AT-AT have? I can see a dead spot where the AT-AT cannot fire it's main weapons close range (range 2 to infinity?). I think firing either pair of lasers would be a different attack, and that it would hard to fire at different targets, even in a 90 degree front arc. What about points? Movement is another issue.

I just don't see them adding an AT-AT for a 'standard' game, but it might be added for special scenario(s).

Lots of dead spots, but I'd imagine 40 stormtroopers, 5 speeder bikes, and an AT-ST escort would normally be in charge of keeping enemies out the dead zone ?

The other issue with doing an AT-AT miniature that no one has brought up in this thread, which is unique to the AT-AT as opposed to the SSD: The height of the model. A GCW AT-AT is 22.5 meters tall in canon, and 20 meters long. That means the model would be around 19 inches tall, or right around Range 3. I'm fairly certain that would ignore MOST cover just due to how you would draw LoS.... 0_o

I see a lot of 'Endor-like' trees being taller than an AT-AT, but you are right about not much else blocking LOS.

Welp, don't tell these guys an AT-AT is too big for a 6x4 table...

38 minutes ago, CaptainRocket said:

Welp, don't tell these guys an AT-AT is too big for a 6x4 table...

Too big for normal Legion (with current rules anyway) and too big for a 6x4 are different things. Out of curiosity, do you know what game are they playing?

3 minutes ago, Caimheul1313 said:

Too big for normal Legion (with current rules anyway) and too big for a 6x4 are different things. Out of curiosity, do you know what game are they playing?

That looks like WotC Star Wars mini game.

The Executor model proves two things:

- FFG has the technical ability to sculpt, manufacture, and ship huge models at an acceptable quality level.

- FFG is willing to sell a single model for $200 if they think the market is there.

Neither of these are definitive proof that FFG will make an AT-AT for Legion but I think they prove that FFG is capable of it.

On 8/3/2018 at 5:16 AM, Tonytt1642 said:

Speeder and AT ST aren't true scale so I don't think a potential AT AT would be.

40 x 44 x 12cm

15 hours ago, Caimheul1313 said:

Too big for normal Legion (with current rules anyway) and too big for a 6x4 are different things.

Well yes, but my point is that it's not as inconceivable due to scale the way some folks are talking about it. I mean, these guys have 5 which seems like too much but still!

2 hours ago, CaptainRocket said:

Well yes, but my point is that it's not as inconceivable due to scale the way some folks are talking about it. I mean, these guys have 5 which seems like too much but still!

I will point out that the board has no 3D terrain, and if I recall correctly the WotC game uses squares for measurements, like IA. A solid base would likely cause many problems with terrian features. A blockade forcing an AT-At to back up stretches credulity a bit. Not to say FFG couldn't figure it out, but i'm not counting on an AT-AT.

Edit: it would likely require special movement rules as the front to back movement would be.... Problematic.

I would love to see the AT-AT enter the game as official terrain. They could sell a crashed one in different chunks at true scale that could be used to create LoS blocking and heavy cover. I have a Revell model kit at 1:51 scale which works okay next to troopers, but looks silly compared to large vehicles.

We can argue about Legion infantry all day(I maintain they match the vehicles well enough), but the vehicles are almost exactly 1:47(if they look big or small compared to the 1:48 Bandai kits, it's because the Bandai kits are off). That would put an AT-AT at ~479mm tall and ~426mm long providing they stuck with the same scale, which for my money is an impractically large gaming piece. That said, I wouldn't buy one that uses a "sliding scale" either, both because if I ever do buy or make an AT-AT I would want it to be in-scale with everything else(it would be used for terrain or as an objective), and because even if I did want a smaller size one there are several model kits out there that would fit the bill for a lot less than FFG could or would charge for theirs.

I would say the SSD proves that FFG have the capability to produce an AT-AT if they want to, but there are still plenty of reasons why they probably won't, at least not for years.

They will, not any time soon but it will happen. I personally would rather see the Rebel U wing and the Imperial Patrol Transport (Not sure what it's called in cannon there are a couple names.

Yes they will make an AT-AT, but no where in the near future. The SSD came out well into Armada's life cycle and Armada runs into an issue of how to you bring in new players? Bring in an iconic vehicle to get new players looking at your game again and old players to re-engage. Legion will run into this issue someday. Besides who doesn't want a true Hoth style battle? Legion is the closest thing to being able to handle this right now.

An AT-AT could even conceivably work in the current format in the sense that you have this large unwieldy vehicle with blind spots starting the game at way closer range to infantry and vehicles that it would want to. There is an interesting element of balance there but point totals would be off.

More probable is a grand battle mechanic involving 2 to 4 player using two tables and 1600 to 2000 total points. Because the game is objective based there are a lot of balancing elements you could throw in here. However to get to these sized battles you need more units to be out so that players can actually field these armies. For instance I still can't get one unit of stormtroopers and one unit of rebel infantry I want.

23 hours ago, Viking171986 said:

They will, not any time soon but it will happen. I personally would rather see the Rebel U wing and the Imperial Patrol Transport (Not sure what it's called in cannon there are a couple names.

The effects of flying transports are already in the game through the Rapid Reinforcements Conditions Card. The in scale U-wing legitimately works well as terrain but using it as a functional transport is a bit on the ridiculous size with the actual scale of the battles, especially as they don't even have the "slow" problem of AT-AT's, and would likely have a forced free movement.

Credit to AldousSnow again, based on the canon measurements.

1 hour ago, Uetur said:

Yes they will make an AT-AT, but no where in the near future. The SSD came out well into Armada's life cycle and Armada runs into an issue of how to you bring in new players? Bring in an iconic vehicle to get new players looking at your game again and old players to re-engage. Legion will run into this issue someday. Besides who doesn't want a true Hoth style battle? Legion is the closest thing to being able to handle this right now.

Arguably, Legion can keep that issue at bay a LOT longer, through the introduction of new factions and units, particularly by delving into the new canon comics/cartoons/books. I also feel there is a lot less variation in capital ships than infantry, so there was only so long before they started struggling with releases in general.

For a true "Hoth Style Battle," I think 15mm would be better. Legion only really represents a small section of that front, two reinforced platoons facing each other over a few important objectives. More of a raid than a full scale battle.

ATAT seems a tad small on the scale you posted.

8 minutes ago, Caimheul1313 said:

The effects of flying transports are already in the game through the Rapid Reinforcements Conditions Card. The in scale U-wing legitimately works well as terrain but using it as a functional transport is a bit on the ridiculous size with the actual scale of the battles, especially as they don't even have the "slow" problem of AT-AT's, and would likely have a forced free movement. 

Credit to AldousSnow again, based on the canon measurements.

Arguably, Legion can keep that issue at bay a LOT longer, through the introduction of new factions and units, particularly by delving into the new canon comics/cartoons/books. I also feel there is a lot less variation in capital ships than infantry, so there was only so long before they started struggling with releases in general.

For a true "Hoth Style Battle," I think 15mm would be better. Legion only really represents a small section of that front, two reinforced platoons facing each other over a few important objectives. More of a raid than a full scale battle.

NVM the wings on the u-wing are ridiculous.

On 8/3/2018 at 6:38 PM, CaptainRocket said:

Welp, don't tell these guys an AT-AT is too big for a 6x4 table...

If you count the tiles that's at least somewhat bigger than 6x4 (72x48), it's at least 80x50, possibly bigger.

Also, those are D20 AT-ATs, which are smaller than scale if you ever check them out. No way the human sized minis could walk around inside their head, they look realy small if AT-ST's are on the board. The amount of Hoth D20 stuff I acquired was utterly ridiculous... but I never bought an AT-AT cause they looked so tiny. Consider that Legion people are even bigger, it gets problematic. They might release an AT-AT cause it's basically guaranteed to sell, but I doubt it'll be close to big enough.

If they did, it would probably be like the Super Star Destroyer. It would cost an ungainly amount of money, it would probably not quite be in scale (though try real hard would feel like it) and would need a nerfed version for play outside of Grand Army.

On 8/2/2018 at 8:30 AM, TauntaunScout said:

Palpatine blows it all up the same way. If the head of a state is racing around with a couple dozen men trying to steal crates, wtf is going on? A single AT-AT is nothing compared to that.

I can’t get that image out of my head now. Thanks for that. ?