This might seem a bit silly, but step 4 of the second Plot Phase framework action is ambiguous, especially when more than one person is affected by a "when revealed" plot effect. The LCGFAQ is also ambiguous on the issue, as it uses the same wording.

The Framework Action in the flowchart reads: "When revealed" plot effects resolve (In order determined by First Player); and the FAQ reads: The first player determines the order in which all "when revealed" plot effects are resolved.

Does this mean:

a) That "When revealed" plot effects are performed starting with the First Player and then moving clockwise.

b) That "When revealed" plot effects are peformed in the order of the First Player's choosing ("In order determined by the First Player")

Further, if someone reveals Fleeing to the Wall which states:

" Others. When revealed, each player chooses up to 3 locations. All locations not chosen are discarded from play (cannot be saved)."

Does the framework action mean:

a) The player who revealed the plot is affected first by his own "When Revealed" text, and proceeds in clockwise order.

b) The First Player is affected by the "When revealed" text, and it proceeds clockwise from there.

c) The First Player determines who is affected first by the "When revealed" text, and it proceeds in an order of the first player's choosing.

It is not my intention to be obtuse (I know this is really nitpicking in the rules), I think that the answers are a) and then a) again, but I'm just not sure.

The answer is actually b) and a) it has to do with passives and first player determining the order of passives. Ktom can give you a much more in depth answer

Lars said:

Thank you for your reply!

So, in a four player game, if each player flips a "when revealed" effect on their plot, the first player can choose any order they wish? Or does choosing consist of selecting a person to start, and working clockwise from there?

Lars said:

~ I feel called out.

There is a general rule that when the timing of passive effects conflict, their order of resolution is determined by the First Player. This is actually one of the benefits of being the First Player. "Determined by the First Player" does indeed mean that the First Player chooses the order. Otherwise, the rules would say that resolution starts with the First Player.

Keep in mind that all "when revealed" plots are technically passive effects; the effect initiates when the play restriction (revealing the plot) takes place whether you want it to or not. But since you cannot realistically resolve every "when revealed" plot at the same time (and the order of some of them will make a big difference - think about two players revealing Counting Favors and Rule By Decree at the same time), the resolutions "conflict." It is the First Player's privilege to choose the order of resolution for conflicting passives.

But notice that the First Player can only decide the order when two or more passive effects conflict. Otherwise, you fall back on clockwise order, starting with the person who controls the effect (by rule). So when you resolve Fleeing to the Wall, the person who revealed it chooses his/her three locations, then other players make their choices around the circle in clockwise order, then all other locations are discarded. The key thing to recognize here is that there is only ONE effect resolving. The plot does not resolve 4 times, once for each player; it just activates and resolves the one time. Since there is only one effect, there is no conflict, so the First Player doesn't get any say in HOW the passive resolves, only the order in which it resolves in comparison to other passives activated at the same time.

So yeah, the answers are b) and a) respectively.

Sinis said:

Let's go CLOCKWISE, my friend

Remember that...

When multiple passive effects are triggered at the same time, the First Player (or God, if you prefer ) chooses the order in which they are resolved.

Cheers

Sinis said:

Any order they wish. The table/turn order of the 4 players has nothing to do with when they each resolve. (Although many times, the First Player will just say "around the table" instead of trying to figure out the most advantageous order for him/herself.)

Thank you for the answers. That helps a bunch!