2 hours ago, Qwrety77 said:

I like your style. I personally view this game as a competition to see who can best mitigate the effects of luck on their army. Also, juggling geese should replace strength of schedule in tournaments. Wrong universe, but who doesn't like a little crossover?

Luck mitigation is almost always the top thing in any FFG game's meta.

Look at things that used to dominate X-Wing's meta:

• alpatine- literally set dice results
• 3PO - guaranteed an evade
• twin laser turrets - nearly guaranteed one damage
• jumpmaster torpedoes - pretty much guaranteed 4 hits

The most effective armies will usually have ways to mitigate randomness as much as possible or brute force.

You can tell when a game is really hitting the sweet spot in design when those two things aren't what's defining the meta.

21 hours ago, Orkimedes said:

If it were two speeder bike units stapled together, it would do double the damage it currently does.

Yes, but only for the first attack. Bikes lose damage output rapidly, even when only exposed to a single attacker.

Now I'm not sure that alone totally accounts for the cost diff, but I do believe that's the design philosophy at play.

3 hours ago, CaptainRocket said:

Yes, but only for the first attack. Bikes lose damage output rapidly, even when only exposed to a single attacker.

Now I'm not sure that alone totally accounts for the cost diff, but I do believe that's the design philosophy at play.

Bike's are definitely squishier... but you have to account for the fact that they are half the cost, which means you have to do 6 wounds (two bike minis) to reduce 4 bikes down to the effectiveness of a full health T-47. The T-47 also takes a damage token at 5 wounds, although that is a little more random in its impact.

It's kind of a specious argument, since obviously Rebels can't take bikes and Imperials can't take the T-47. Each works differently within the strengths and weaknesses of their faction. But it's clear even when you compare the T-47 to other Rebel choices that it is just woefully over-costed.

Not only are bikes much cheaper but they can actually hide.

8 hours ago, Vineheart01 said:

Not only are bikes much cheaper but they can actually hide.

What can or can't hide is your choice. Scenery is something you decide.

Like i stated before, it is much much more common for terrain to be less than 6" tall, if even that.

Speeders can hide behind virtually the same thing troopers can, which is crazy common.

T47 needs something 7" tall to be hidden AND not just a simple spire so it hides the whole thing. We have like 3 pieces of terrain in our whole store that can do that and only if i stopped RIGHT behind them because theyre just barely big enough. I'm still working on finding more terrain.

Its undeniable that its significantly easier to hide a speeder bike vs the T-47.

that said, it should be easy for anyone to plop down "infinitely high" forests that obscure anything completely behind them.

4 hours ago, Vineheart01 said:

T47 needs something 7" tall to be hidden AND not just a simple spire so it hides the whole thing. We have like 3 pieces of terrain in our whole store that can do that and only if i stopped RIGHT behind them because theyre just barely big enough. I'm still working on finding more terrain.

Maybe I'm spoiled with my terrain collection and the vast amount of huge buildings available at the only store I often play in.

If you don't mind spending a few bucks you can make nice stuff. One sheet of styrofoam would give you many rocky outcroppings capable of hiding a speeder. Carve up angular pieces and sandwich two or three together so they stand up and look like the way rock naturally fractures. Paint them in wild colors and combine with mushroom & coral forests if you want that really alien planet. Fairy garden sections of craft stores and the aquarium section of pet stores are good for this.

If you want to keep it under $20, free cardboard or plastic boxes with dimensions > 7" can be turned into buildings with minutes of work. Coat with dark spray paint, dry overnight, then mask off doors and windows with masking tape, and spray with lighter colored paint. Peel off the tape leaving dark colored doors and windows visible on the building. Grey and black to look Imperial, dark brown and tan to look like Mos Eisely, grey and white to look genericly Star Warsy, etc. Stickers of various shapes can make interesting window and door masks too. Those neon dot stickers that are used for things make good instant round windows as do notebook rings. Heck you could probably keep it under $10. I've seen spray paint as low as $1.99 a can at discount stores and masking tape and circle stickers are available at most "everything costs a dollar" stores.

That reminds me I have a Tatooine building to go make...

On 7/18/2018 at 6:56 AM, Ophion said:

My feeling is generally crits are too good. The fact they ignore your auto cover, natural cover, your dodge token and your armour is stupid. Dice spam and dont even need impact.

Agreed, I always felt a lot of GamesWorkshop games basically boiled down to rolling piles of dice and looking for 6s.

Even more so, it kind of seems like Legion feels like rolliing piles of dice and just looking for the Crits.

pretty much.

Veer's is the only instance of middlefingering crits that isnt natural defense, and thats a once a game thing.

The amount of times a lucky critspam roll has butchered a dodged up heavy cover unit is annoying.

On 7/18/2018 at 6:56 AM, Ophion said:

My feeling is generally crits are too good. The fact they ignore your auto cover, natural cover, your dodge token and your armour is stupid. Dice spam and dont even need impact.

They don't ignore your armor. Have you been playing that they don't allow you to save against them?

2 hours ago, arnoldrew said:

They don't ignore your armor. Have you been playing that they don't allow you to save against them?

No, i mean your armour keyword is no protection.

29 minutes ago, Ophion said:

No, i mean your armour keyword is no protection.

Ah, I see.