On 8/8/2018 at 11:07 PM, Rabobankrider said:

I'm personally all for a few heroic sacrifices from the masters here and there, Obi-Wan style. No one wants to live forever.

Well, fair warning, not everyone can go out in heroic glory. Ask Aayla Secura, Ploo Koon etc. Sometimes it will just be tragedy. But, hey, not every good death scene is in glorious battle.

Eh, so long as it lends to a handy plot point I'm cool with that.

Are we tracking damage anywhere on the forums or just on the sheet?

13 minutes ago, Jonas Shaaf said:

Are we tracking damage anywhere on the forums or just on the sheet?

Just on your sheet.

On 8/11/2018 at 8:21 PM, penpenpen said:

Well, fair warning, not everyone can go out in heroic glory. Ask Aayla Secura, Ploo Koon etc. Sometimes it will just be tragedy. But, hey, not every good death scene is in glorious battle.

Are you on discord by any chance?

On 8/16/2018 at 7:14 AM, TheShard said:

Are you on discord by any chance?

me

@CathyKitten you quit?

@Tramp Graphics

RCR didn't have rules for ships taking action on their own, it's still the player making the attack, so it's not the gunnery droid brain in ffg.

But that's you deflecting from the issue, there is a case to be made for Korath having a cyclic crystal array with 3 mephite crystals with different mods

There is the most sensible explanation of the dual phase mod and 1 mephite game mechanical crystal narrated as 3 in the dual phase in the same way a double bladed lightsaber has 1 game mechanical crystal narrated as 2.

The is a case to be made for Korath having 1 mephite crystal, dual phase attachment, cyclic crystal array, and a katharcite crystal (taken from a training saber on board the jedi star) that replicates a training emitter.

There is NO case to be made for Korath to have a kimber stone, adding it to your character sheet as previous gear amounts to deception/cheating.

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The real issue I'm pointing out is that you are playing by a different set of rules than everyone else.

No, I’m not, Keith. What Awayputurwpn did was to make everyone stay under a specific credit value, even if it means losing something that character earned previously. That’s not what this game follows. Not only that, but this load out I rebuilt him with during conversion was approved already as a suitable substitution for the three mephite crystals he had previously. A kathracite crystal is not a comparable substitution for a mephite crystal. A Kimber Stone is . And, for the record, if someone else had had multiple crystals of the same type in his or her lightsaber (as was normal in D6/D20) that perso too could make an appropriate substitution to a comparable substitute.

Which gm did you tell "hey my lightsaber had 3 mephite Crystal's so I could do a dual/tri phase lightsaber and I added that to my saber but since crystals in this game can have different effects I want to trade in one or two of my Crystal's in for different ones but still keep the dual phase mod, is that ok with you?" to and have them approve it, because if you didn't say it that explicitly you deceived the gm to get want you wanted.

2 minutes ago, EliasWindrider said:

@Tramp Graphics

RCR didn't have rules for ships taking action on their own, it's still the player making the attack, so it's not the gunnery droid brain in ffg.

But that's you deflecting from the issue, there is a case to be made for Korath having a cyclic crystal array with 3 mephite crystals with different mods

There is the most sensible explanation of the dual phase mod and 1 mephite game mechanical crystal narrated as 3 in the dual phase in the same way a double bladed lightsaber has 1 game mechanical crystal narrated as 2.

The is a case to be made for Korath having 1 mephite crystal, dual phase attachment, cyclic crystal array, and a katharcite crystal (taken from a training saber on board the jedi star) that replicates a training emitter.

There is NO case to be made for Korath to have a kimber stone, adding it to your character sheet as previous gear amounts to deception/cheating.

Wrong Keith. The game doesn’t allow for multiples of the same crystal. And there’s no point to doing so, particularly once those crystals are fully modified. The only way different crystals of the same type would have completely different effects is if the user failed his modification checks multiple times per crystal and for different mod attempts on top of that. You put three fully modified mephite crystals in one Lightsaber, that’s no different than having only one crystal. It’s pointless. So, no. You make a substitution for a different crystal with comparable capability, but still different enough. Kimber Stone does comparable damage, albeit stun damage, and has mods that are comparable as well, at a much lower cost. And thus while comparable, the two don’t copy one another exactly.

And even if you did get @killerbeardhawk 's approval to that EXPLICIT a question, you still added a kimber stone to your lightsaber at the end of the jedi quest campaign prior to the jedi star campaign. You'd have to use a jedi mind trick to talk your way out of this one.

2 minutes ago, EliasWindrider said:

Which gm did you tell "hey my lightsaber had 3 mephite Crystal's so I could do a dual/tri phase lightsaber and I added that to my saber but since crystals in this game can have different effects I want to trade in one or two of my Crystal's in for different ones but still keep the dual phase mod, is that ok with you?" to and have them approve it, because if you didn't say it that explicitly you deceived the gm to get want you wanted.

Rabobankrider looked over my sheet, and I discussed this with him before the game began. So he is the one who approved it.

3 minutes ago, EliasWindrider said:

And even if you did get @killerbeardhawk 's approval to that EXPLICIT a question, you still added a kimber stone to your lightsaber at the end of the jedi quest campaign prior to the jedi star campaign. You'd have to use a jedi mind trick to talk your way out of this one.

I switched it back to what he originally started that campaign with, with Rabobankrider’s approval , and even then sacrificed the third crystal .

1 minute ago, Tramp Graphics said:

Wrong Keith. The game doesn’t allow for multiples of the same crystal. And there’s no point to doing so, particularly once those crystals are fully modified. The only way different crystals of the same type would have completely different effects is if the user failed his modification checks multiple times per crystal and for different mod attempts on top of that. You put three fully modified mephite crystals in one Lightsaber, that’s no different than having only one crystal. It’s pointless. So, no. You make a substitution for a different crystal with comparable capability, but still different enough. Kimber Stone does comparable damage, albeit stun damage, and has mods that are comparable as well, at a much lower cost. And thus while comparable, the two don’t copy one another exactly.

Which means you're adding capabilities d6 and rcr Korath didn't have, Q.E.D. thanks for conceding that what he had under the previous system does nothing, but a dual phase, under this one.

2 minutes ago, Tramp Graphics said:

Rabobankrider looked over my sheet, and I discussed this with him before the game began. So he is the one who approved it.

What word for word did you tell @Rabobankrider because I have a feeling that you didn't make it clear to him that you were adding new capability under the false pretenses of previous gear.

1 minute ago, EliasWindrider said:

Which means you're adding capabilities d6 and rcr Korath didn't have, Q.E.D. thanks for conceding that what he had under the previous system does nothing, but a dual phase, under this one.

The original D6 character had a tri - phase blade ( three different blade lengths , not just two).

8 minutes ago, Tramp Graphics said:

I switched it back to what he originally started that campaign with, and even then sacrificed the third crystal .

Most GMs expect their players to be honest with them, and he probably took you at your word.

Hey @killerbeardhawk did tramp explicitly tell you he was adding new capability under the false pretenses of previous gear before you approved it?

2 minutes ago, Tramp Graphics said:

The original D6 character had a tri - phase blade ( three different blade lengths , not just two).

Technically RCR didn't have rules for tri phase either. Dual phase handled it under rcr. So does the dual phase under ffg.

2 minutes ago, EliasWindrider said:

Most GMs expect their players to be honest with them, and he probably took you at your word.

This is specifically what I told him:

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Oh  , one thing I definitely want to get my hands on for Korath is a Solari Crystal . He needs a third crystal for his lightsaber. The original D6 version had three Mephite crystals, but you can't really have three of the same type of c  rystal in this system, so I'm currently down to two, a Mephite and a Kimber Stone. 

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Right, well that's probably something he can work towards long term, giving him a goal etc.

So, I was fully honest with him. I told him exactly what crystals he originally had in D6/D20 and told him the substitution I made and why.

3 minutes ago, EliasWindrider said:

Technically RCR didn't have rules for tri phase either. Dual phase handled it under rcr. So does the dual phase under ffg.

I had a Tri phase even in RCR. It’s not hard to extrapolate additional capabilities under that system, and in D6, it’s simply a variable blade length with no set lengths. In D6 you could adjust the blade length to any length within a given range, not just specific preset lengths.

15 minutes ago, Tramp Graphics said:

This is specifically what I told him:

His response:

So, I was fully honest with him. I told him exactly what crystals he originally had in D6/D20 and told him the substitution I made and why.

You don't say you didn't have a kimber stone before and didn't ask if you could trade it in.

You half mentioned the issue in passing without actually asking for approval and claimed you got his approval to something he didn't object to when he didn't have a full explanation of the issue.

1 minute ago, Tramp Graphics said:

I had a Tri phase even in RCR.

You had something you called a tri phase that there weren't official rcr rules for.

1 minute ago, EliasWindrider said:

You don't say you didn't have a kimber stone before and didn't ask if you could trade it in

I had the Kimber Stone as part of the original conversion at the start of the last game , so, yes I did. I told him exactly what he started with, and what I converted him with as a substitution before the last game.

11 minutes ago, EliasWindrider said:

You half mentioned the issue in passing without actually asking for approval and claimed you got his approval to something he didn't object to when he didn't have a full explanation of the issue.

5 minutes ago, Tramp Graphics said:

I had the Kimber Stone as part of the original conversion at the start of the last game , so, yes I did. I told him exactly what he started with, and what I converted him with as a substitution before the last game.

But not at the end of the last game, during which it had been ruled that you never had it in universe