7 hours ago, JasonCole said:

People who are bad at design are typically bad about being able to quantify value in good design. People that are TERRIBLE at design don't realize that good design HAS value.

This, in a nutshell, is my biggest personal hiccup about the mechanics of 2.0- the instant quarterly "do over" button that basically says "we have no effing idea how to calculate points values of ships and mods, so we're just going to make it ""dynamic". Probably said in the same meeting that somebody farted out "synergy" and "value added".

At the risk of bringing this thread back on topic, I really don't see how giving themselves a way to adjust points and upgrade slots is a bad idea. Sure, it'd be nice if they could get an accurate points value straight away but that isn't going to happen so there's absolutely nothing wrong with giving themselves a mechanism for correcting errors. From a business point of view it makes sense. X-Wing will sell even while not well balanced. They can gather data once it's out in the wild then adjust later. It's not the best approach for players because we have to wait for the adjustments but I can totally understand the thinking behind it.

Also, there's a huge difference between "we have no idea how to calculate points" and "let's try to be accurate initially but give ourselves a method to correct our mistakes".

3 hours ago, Dr Zoidberg said:

Explain how someone is not responsible for their own views?

Specifically religion, not views in general.

A mixture of

- extreme correlation of your religion with that of your parents and your place of birth

- life long indoctrination and brainwashing

- genetic potential of mental resilience and other abilities to break out of it

- probably generally a more deterministic view than you have

9 hours ago, JasonCole said:

This, in a nutshell, is my biggest personal hiccup about the mechanics of 2.0- the instant quarterly "do over" button that basically says "we have no effing idea how to calculate points values of ships and mods, so we're just going to make it ""dynamic". Probably said in the same meeting that somebody farted out "synergy" and "value added".

While to some extent there's potential truth there, I don't think having a "do-over" button is a bad thing. Game design isn't an exact science, and the evolving meta of a persistent card-based game like X-Wing can render point values obsolete. We saw this painfully in the current version of the game. Obviously at a certain point, the X-Wing was overcosted. We knew this because nobody used them outside of one or two pilots. Why did this happen? Well, the X-Wing was developed based on the Wave One rules. By Wave 8, the game had changed significantly, rendering the X-Wing obsolete at its listed values. Only the unique pilot skills of cards like Biggs would generate significant enough value to overcome the inherent overcost of the X-Wing as a platform.

It's why so many cards needed "fixes" to make them "viable" in the game space again. 2.0 allowing more design flexibility is inherently a good thing. Your expectations are unrealistic. This is far better than the old school way of doing it like 40K in the 90s and 00s where the ruleset was just overhauled every 5-6 years (less in later years) to reset the meta. They could probably do it better with good data analysis, but even if they had better data analysis, it would still be advantageous to have a quarterly Do-Over button because nothing about it will ever be an exact, permanent science.

5 hours ago, Dr Zoidberg said:

Explain how someone is not responsible for their own views?

1 hour ago, GreenDragoon said:

Specifically religion, not views in general.

A mixture of

- extreme correlation of your religion with that of your parents and your place of birth

- life long indoctrination and brainwashing

- genetic potential of mental resilience and other abilities to break out of it

- probably generally a more deterministic view than you have

This of course does not excuse anyone. Having an explanation for holding religious views does not change the banality of them.

Not everyone is affected the same way, but from my point of view, the people who are, are lesser. This is is my subjective value system, where I prefer independent thought. Not a defining trait of the religious. You may disagree as you wish.

To quote Bojack "not knowing you are a horrible person, doesn't make you less of a horrible person"

27 minutes ago, Commander Kaine said:

[stuff]

You see, I'm not going to discuss with you.

e: the "I prefer independent thought. [...] You may disagree as you wish" is a nice touch though

On ‎7‎/‎6‎/‎2018 at 3:01 AM, player3314088 said:

https://spartanoracle.com/10133/opinions/proof-that-bacon-is-evil/

As an aside, that article is a perfect example of how too much science can be a bad thing. "Processed meats cause cancer, you should not eat!". Follow that particular scientific directive and you would never discover the pure, unadulterated joy of a crispy fried bacon sandwich. Or prosciutto, pancetta, salsiccia picante, mortadella, pastrami and all the epicurean delights that the art of charcuterie has to offer. The science might tell a certain story, but stick too rigidly too it and there's an entire world you'll be missing out on.

And so it is with MathWing.

1 hour ago, GreenDragoon said:

You see, I'm not going to discuss with you.

e: the "I prefer independent thought. [...] You may disagree as you wish" is a nice touch though

Wise.

19 minutes ago, Commander Kaine said:

Wise.

Must... have... last... word... nnnggh!

Just now, SOTL said:

Must... have... last... word... nnnggh!

I'm not sure pointing out that you are not going to discuss an issue further is any less problematic in this regard. He could have just not answered.

Or your need to comment in.

You know, I'm a fairly introspective person, I'm aware of my shortcomings. Hence my general attitude here. You are not helping anyone by these comments. You only show yourself to be just as much of a child on these forums as I am.

But at least you are in good company.

On 7/6/2018 at 8:29 AM, JasonCole said:

I support you in this. As an architect, when I perform work for a client, the client gets to use that work *once* to construct a building, but I retain all IP, copyright and trademarks, etc. My work is my work. They're paying me for it so they can use it once. In creative and analytical fields, we aren't making a *thing* that gets sold over and over, our ideas and our brains are how we make a living. Giving that out for free is a terrible business plan.

I’m in software contract work and it entails a similar consideration. There is no such standard in software, however. Sometimes I negotiate to keep the IP and sometimes I don’t. The important thing to remember is that it’s a negotiation. They simply couldn’t come to an agreement that everyone considers beneficial from their perspective. It’s not personal. It’s not any judgement of MJ’s personal worth or even contribution to the community. FFG simply doesn’t see ROI to their bottom line sufficient to justify a paid contract and perhaps exposing whatever processes or methodologies they do have for game design. The IP issue may as simple as a lawyerly reaction to not having FFG’s existing IP enmeshed with MJ’s. That’s a perfectly reasonable reason to walk away from such a deal.

11 hours ago, Do I need a Username said:

I rate this gif a 7/10. While satisfying to see it get back on the rails, the inability to see a full loop breaks the illusion. With some more time, this gif may have achieved greatness, yet that potential lies untapped in its current state. Instead, it only serves as a testament to the truth of the flat earth, as if the earth were curved, the train would be flying but clearly that is not the case. Instead, the train remains on the flat ground, proving the nature of the earth is not a sphere, but rather a disk (look it up). But yet, the nature of this train also reminds me of the nature of meaning, in that I can always try to bridge the gap, but something will always be lost in translation. I can no more convey to you how I felt about the game than I could the taste of my lunch. Even if we have the same meaning for every word, you internal connotations differ, so the meaning will be irrevocably altered. Furthermore, The Phantom menace is the best star wars move, is it truly shows us why they fight. Not for rights, or for life, or freedom but taxes - the most evil of xes.

Final score: 140/200

FTFY

yes, perfect loop fail 100%

this one is currently apt I believe. the on topic vs the fire storm. gotta ride both rails!

So let's talk about the trolley problem, while our convenient dumpster fire is here.

A train is coming into the station out of control and will kill anyone on the tracks. There's five people randomly on the tracks for some reason. You could switch the train to a side track, but there's a guy on that track who was just doing his job because the train's not supposed to be there in the first place. What do you do?

17 minutes ago, Kieransi said:

So let's talk about the trolley problem, while our convenient dumpster fire is here.

A train is coming into the station out of control and will kill anyone on the tracks. There's five people randomly on the tracks for some reason. You could switch the train to a side track, but there's a guy on that track who was just doing his job because the train's not supposed to be there in the first place. What do you do?

It doesn't matter, chances are you freeze in the moment.

The right decision is to make the train switch tracks. If you are weak, you can't make that decision, because you think your conscience is more important than other people's life. That's fine, btw, not everyone is able to make that decision.

Just now, Commander Kaine said:

It doesn't matter, chances are you freeze in the moment.

The right decision is to make the train switch tracks. If you are weak, you can't make that decision, because you think your conscience is more important than other people's life. That's fine, btw, not everyone is able to make that decision.

I don't freeze, I just don't switch the track.

The guy on the side track did nothing wrong. The people on the main track knew what they were doing.

1 minute ago, Kieransi said:

I don't freeze, I just don't switch the track.

The guy on the side track did nothing wrong. The people on the main track knew what they were doing.

you see someone playing Miranda Nym, another person is flying Norra, Wedge, Jan Ors. do you go and play the cancer or the jank? the person flying cancer knows what they are doing.

22 minutes ago, Kieransi said:

What do you do?

5 > 1, so my answer is clear. I also believe that the decision not to act (not switching tracks) is not inherently morally superior to direct action (switching tracks).

Then there are all kinds of variations, eg make the one person your child and the other 5 some babies, or old people, and so on. Personal relationship should not change the decision, and different ages only change the relevant criteria to combined remaining lifespan instead of number of lifes.

Or, in Xwing, you should fly the jank (like saving the 5) but won‘t anyway because being hypocritical is part of being human and hey, at least I‘m not flying 100pt Miranda or GhostFenn instead!

40 minutes ago, Kieransi said:

So let's talk about the trolley problem, while our convenient dumpster fire is here.

A train is coming into the station out of control and will kill anyone on the tracks. There's five people randomly on the tracks for some reason. You could switch the train to a side track, but there's a guy on that track who was just doing his job because the train's not supposed to be there in the first place. What do you do?

Following the joke above, what if I let the locomotive pass the track fork, then I switch the fork before the rest of the train wagons pass it? The train would derrail and probably stop, avoiding both tracks.
If the engineer at the locomotive gets hurt, that's his fault for not keeping the train under control.

15 minutes ago, Azrapse said:

Following the joke above, what if I let the locomotive pass the track fork, then I switch the fork before the rest of the train wagons pass it? The train would derrail and probably stop, avoiding both tracks.
If the engineer at the locomotive gets hurt, that's his fault for not keeping the train under control.

its a trolley not a passenger train. they die!

@Kieransi if my child was on the tracks and 5 other randoms be they babies, elon munsk holding a baby, my boss, my best friend, my favorite artist or celebrity... my child lives, period. Choosing between wife and child is a bit harder... because I don't think I could raise him without her. I'd probably save my child tho.

I love this thread.

43 minutes ago, Kieransi said:

I don't freeze, I just don't switch the track.

The guy on the side track did nothing wrong. The people on the main track knew what they were doing.

That's a surprisingly compelling argument.

11 minutes ago, Wiredin said:

its a trolley not a passenger train. they die!

@Kieransi if my child was on the tracks and 5 other randoms be they babies, elon munsk holding a baby, my boss, my best friend, my favorite artist or celebrity... my child lives, period. Choosing between wife and child is a bit harder... because I don't think I could raise him without her. I'd probably save my child tho.

I love this thread.

I think I have to save the kid, because my wife would never forgive me if I picked her.

Just now, Biophysical said:

That's a surprisingly compelling argument.

I think I have to save the kid, because my wife would never forgive me if I picked her.

That's a surprisingly compelling argument that I did not anticipate.... the feels.

13 minutes ago, Wiredin said:

I love this thread.

I agree.

Is this going to be the next 100+ page forum classic?

coles notes:

- Mathwing 2.0- will not happen

- well Mathwing is outdated as a concept

- no Mathwing is awesome

- you should do a patreon

- darwinism is a relgion

- no your religion is dumb

- no your religion is dumb

- nazi cat

- what is wrong with you people

- dumpster fire memes

- murder

- psychological discussion about killing babies related to the trolley problem.

did I miss anything?

1 hour ago, Kieransi said:

So let's talk about the trolley problem, while our convenient dumpster fire is here.

A train is coming into the station out of control and will kill anyone on the tracks. There's five people randomly on the tracks for some reason. You could switch the train to a side track, but there's a guy on that track who was just doing his job because the train's not supposed to be there in the first place. What do you do?

separate train cars to cover both tracks. kill them all. let god sort it out.