50% cover rule

By chriscook, in Star Wars: Legion

I understand that you are to compare modles with terrain before you play to see if they get cover. But that goes out the window once minis are at different heights. Ex) My ATRT my be half covered vertically by a building from a trooper. But lets say it standing behind a building but an ATST or snowspeeder or troopers up on a tall building is targeting it. You look from the minis top center and see over half of the ATRT. Now he does not have cover, correct?

So you must check for 50% vertical during a game.

Here we go again.....

Check the rules forum this had been fixed :)

The 50% rule only matters before the game, and is meant as a guideline. During the game, it doesn't matter how much you see. You only check "100%" or "not 100%".

Where is the rules forum?

I read it, nothing about height? Please explain

So a group of troops standing a good distance away from a barricade gets cover from a unit that is up in the air or has height advantage??

as long as even an 0.0000000000001% of a mini is hidden from view by a piece of terrain, you apply the rules for obscured to draw a line between the center of bases to see of the mini is obscured.
If the mini is obscured (or if half or more of a squad is obscured), then it gets cover.

9 minutes ago, Deuzerre said:

as long as even an 0.0000000000001% of a mini is hidden from view by a piece of terrain, you apply the rules for obscured to draw a line between the center of bases to see of the mini is obscured.
If the mini is obscured (or if half or more of a squad is obscured), then it gets cover.

yes i agree. i think the person is just curious where this is written/email somewhere. i'm also looking for this

Last post at this link

https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/277344-star-wars-legion-official-rulings/?do=findComment&comment=3364837

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The paragraph of step “1. Determine Number of Obscured Minis” of the “Cover” glossary entry in the Rules Reference should read:

“The player checks line of sight from the attacker's unit leader to each mini in the defending unit. If any part of a defending mini, including its base, is blocked by a piece of terrain or another mini, the player then traces an imaginary line from the center of the base of the attacker’s unit leader to the center of the base of the defending mini. If the imaginary line crosses the piece of terrain or the base of the other mini that blocked line of sight, the defending mini is obscured. The player repeats this process for each mini in the defender to determine how many of those minis are obscured.”

The following sub point should be added under step “1. Determine Number of Obscured Minis” of the “Cover” glossary entry in the Rules Reference:

“When determining whether a piece of terrain or another mini blocks line of sight to a defending mini, if there is a clear peg separating the defending mini and its base, the clear peg and the base are not treated as a part of the mini.”

you the best! @Deuzerre

No, im just so confused by this. Are the diagrams on LOS and cover correct that someone posted about a week ago with all the different situations? So again, does a trooper unit that is far awy from a barricade get cover from and ATST??

15 minutes ago, chriscook said:

No, im just so confused by this. Are the diagrams on LOS and cover correct that someone posted about a week ago with all the different situations? So again, does a trooper unit that is far awy from a barricade get cover from and ATST??

It depends on the LOS. If the LOS from the AT-ST is obscured to ANY part of the model including the base by the barricade, then yes (Edit: if the line from center to center passes through the terrain). If the LOS is unobscured, then no.

Edited by Caimheul1313
6 minutes ago, chriscook said:

No, im just so confused by this. Are the diagrams on LOS and cover correct that someone posted about a week ago with all the different situations? So again, does a trooper unit that is far awy from a barricade get cover from and ATST??

By current "RAW" without those "patch notes", then yes. With the "patch notes", it depends if you see the whole mini or not.

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I tried to make a quick example of how i interpret your situation. Im NOT artistic

So we are still looking from the top of the ATST head?

yes

Nice drawing!!! Not the situation I was thinking about. All the troops I am shooting at are 2feet behind a barricade, and I am shooting from up high. The LOS goes through the barricade but I can see all the troops and their bases.

Then they get no cover (because you see more than half of the squad entirely, with not obstruction.

then not obstructed so no cover

Awsome thanks guys

24 minutes ago, Matt3412 said:

then not obstructed so no cover

Not obstructed = No cover
Obstructed -> Center of base to center of base?
a) Obscured = apply applicable cover for unit type
B) Not Obscured = Do not apply cover

Edited by Deuzerre
6 hours ago, chriscook said:

Nice drawing!!! Not the situation I was thinking about. All the troops I am shooting at are 2feet behind a barricade, and I am shooting from up high. The LOS goes through the barricade but I can see all the troops and their bases.

I think you are getting stuck on what’s LOS is. If you can see all of the troops and their bases from the vantage point, your line of sight is not obstructed. Los is from your eye to the targets, when you place your eye at the minis vantage point.

the projection of a line across the ground to check for cover, from center of your unit leader to the targets, may cross the barricade. This line is not LOS.

And; This check for cover only happens if the units you are looking at (aka LOS) appear to be blocked by terrain / other units that grant cover (like an Atst)

Edited by Ravncat
On 6/15/2018 at 1:16 PM, Deuzerre said:

Not obstructed = No cover
Obstructed -> Center of base to center of base?
a) Obscured = apply applicable cover for unit type
B) Not Obscured = Do not apply cover

which actually gives a reason for getting the high ground, queue the Anakin meme's

So what's the purpose of the 50% check?