so i went to the rule books it actually clarifies how high the area terrain is treated for cover.
When determining the size of area terrain, imagine a zone beginning at the bottom edges of the terrain and extending straight upward to a point parallel with the highest physical feature of the terrain .
so if any of it is at least 50% of a at-st then the entire area is 50% of the at-st.

On 2/22/2019 at 12:44 PM, azeronbloodmoone said:

so i went to the rule books it actually clarifies how high the area terrain is treated for cover.
When determining the size of area terrain, imagine a zone beginning at the bottom edges of the terrain and extending straight upward to a point parallel with the highest physical feature of the terrain .
so if any of it is at least 50% of a at-st then the entire area is 50% of the at-st.

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Now you've got it!

On 9/29/2018 at 9:55 AM, YuriPanzer said:

If you can see any enemy mini, you can shoot them.

In the case you described, usually a unit leader from a higher position sees much more of the enemy units, including bases, so it helps to avoid some cover. Usually, unit leaders from a lower position don't see their enemies base, so the unit in high position gets cover.

Is it always heavy cover that is gained if you are higher up than the enemy unit?

As noted on p27 (v1.3) under declaring terrain

"Terrain either provides no cover, light cover, or heavy cover, depending on its characteristics. Terrain that completely blocks line of sight always provides heavy cover"

and a building is capable of completely blocking LOS?

3 hours ago, DwainDibbly said:

Is it always heavy cover that is gained if you are higher up than the enemy unit?

As noted on p27 (v1.3) under declaring terrain

"Terrain either provides no cover, light cover, or heavy cover, depending on its characteristics. Terrain that completely blocks line of sight always provides heavy cover"

and a building is capable of completely blocking LOS?

Yeah it's pretty much always heavy cover from high ground, unless of course you and your opponent agree that the thing that the higher unit is standing on only provides light cover (hay bales or something)

10 hours ago, DwainDibbly said:

Is it always heavy cover that is gained if you are higher up than the enemy unit?

As noted on p27 (v1.3) under declaring terrain

"Terrain either provides no cover, light cover, or heavy cover, depending on its characteristics. Terrain that completely blocks line of sight always provides heavy cover"

and a building is capable of completely blocking LOS?

They get whatever cover is provided by that terrain. Unless it's a straw hut or rickety wooden shanty or something, I would think that buildings pretty much always provide heavy cover. "Terrain that completely blocks line of sight" refers to the fact that if you can't see them they will always have heavy cover, even if that terrain usually would only provide light cover. I.E., when you're shooting at a unit you can only see one model of. The fact that the rest of the models can't be seen grants them (and the entire unit, since they are at least half of the unit) heavy cover.

Lets say you have a big 'ol wall that blocks the entire miniature's base and the entire miniature itself EXCEPT the tip of the gun thats poking out...

Do you have line of sight to that mini?

3 minutes ago, Kalandros said:

Lets say you have a big 'ol wall that blocks the entire miniature's base and the entire miniature itself EXCEPT the tip of the gun thats poking out...

Do you have line of sight to that mini?

yes, per page 37 of the RRG
If a player can see part of an opponent’s mini, which includes that mini’s base, from that viewpoint, that player’s mini has line of sight to that opponent’s mini
but it will be heavy cover.

I have been in an out of the forums and the RRG and I am not able to read/see if my question can be answered from my own understand.

If the only thing the attacking unit can see is the top of Luke's lightsaber, can they attack luke?

-Additionally, does Luke have cover 1 or 2 because of this attack?

-Furthermore, does this apply to say a Stormtrooper heavy (DLT) weapon but not the base of the mini?

Pretty sure the answer to my exact question is answered above me.

8 hours ago, choassassin said:

Pretty sure the answer to my exact question is answered above me.

Right, it is. But to clarify the cover portion of your question: you get whatever type of cover the terrain provides. It’s heavy cover in that example because of the wall, but that may not always be the case. The important part is the type of terrain that is between the attacker and defender, not how much of the defender is visible.

On 2/24/2019 at 1:35 AM, DwainDibbly said:

Is it always heavy cover that is gained if you are higher up than the enemy unit?

As noted on p27 (v1.3) under declaring terrain

"Terrain either provides no cover, light cover, or heavy cover, depending on its characteristics. Terrain that completely blocks line of sight always provides heavy cover"

and a building is capable of completely blocking LOS?

On 2/24/2019 at 4:53 AM, KommanderKeldoth said:

Yeah it's pretty much always heavy cover from high ground, unless of course you and your opponent agree that the thing that the higher unit is standing on only provides light cover (hay bales or something)

On 2/24/2019 at 12:29 PM, arnoldrew said:

They get whatever cover is provided by that terrain. Unless it's a straw hut or rickety wooden shanty or something, I would think that buildings pretty much always provide heavy cover. "Terrain that completely blocks line of sight" refers to the fact that if you can't see them they will always have heavy cover, even if that terrain usually would only provide light cover. I.E., when you're shooting at a unit you can only see one model of. The fact that the rest of the models can't be seen grants them (and the entire unit, since they are at least half of the unit) heavy cover.

I'm still having trouble wrapping my head around this. Particularly if the unit is a single model at a height, say on top of a flat roof, exposed at the edge. I don't get how the base is a factor when more than 50% of the model is exposed. I can see how it works in practice, but I can't see how it's spelled out in the rules. Correct me if I'm wrong.

1) Terrain and cover is decided in advance.

2) Stone building with flat roof and no barrier is declared to give trooper units heavy cover, and could potentially cover 50% of a model from different angles (but not all angles, ie single trooper on the edge)

3) Therefore a mini on the roof benefits from cover, whether 50% of it or more is exposed in game or not, since the building is in the line of the base to base measurement for line of sight.

Like I said I have no problem playing a game where units on high get cover (we have been all along), but I don't get the specific rationale.

TLDR have I got step2) right?

If any part of the base is occluded the mini gains cover.

The '50% rule' is just a guideline to determine if a piece of terrain should grant cover in the first place and is determined before the game starts. The rules are designed so that you don't have to guesstimate model coverage in game.

3 hours ago, KommanderKeldoth said:

If any part of the base is occluded the mini gains cover.

The '50% rule' is just a guideline to determine if a piece of terrain should grant cover in the first place and is determined before the game starts. The rules are designed so that you don't have to guesstimate model coverage in game.

Cool. I think I have it now

2 hours ago, Alan Noir said:

Cool. I think I have it now

Yeah, it can lead to some goofy edge cases, but I like how cut and dry the rules play in game. I also try to imagine that the actual characters are dynamic moving combatants so they are ducking or going prone or hugging walls and thus making the most of whatever cover they have.

Hi, is there another way to get this printable pdf? Scribd is horrible and I really don't want to have to sign up to a subscription.
I'm happy to throw the author some cash coz he's put a lot of effort into this, but are there other purchase options?

On 9/30/2019 at 11:56 AM, Inquisitorsz said:

Hi, is there another way to get this printable pdf? Scribd is horrible and I really don't want to have to sign up to a subscription.
I'm happy to throw the author some cash coz he's put a lot of effort into this, but are there other purchase options?

Agreed.