So, just played my first game other than the tutorial... we had the Long March and Breakthrough as the set up and objective. We both wound up with three unit leaders in the designated areas on turn six: however, my opponents AT-RT was not 100% within the boundaries of the goal, it's butt and part of the base were out. Does this still count as his unit being in the boundaries, he said yes, I wouldn't know any better.

Also, if a vehicle is on a piece of terrain, when it stops it's movement, the units base needs to be completely flat on the piece of terrain? The AT-RT had to walk over a piece of terrain (height 1) to get to the goal, and wasn't able to fully rest on the piece of terrain. My opponent says as long as it can rest part of it can hang off, but he couldn't even get it to stay with part hanging over.

Not trying to take the win from him, but both things were questionable to me, and seeing as it was my first real game, I would like to know it was played right.

Thanks in advance for the reaponses.

p46: "Within is a term used on cards and in the rulebook when describing range. A unit is within a range if the entirety of the miniature’s base is inside the segment that corresponds to that range."

p13: "A unit is AT a range if the portion of a miniature’s base that is closest to the object from which range is being measured is inside the segment that corresponds to that range."

So the AT-RT was not within the deployment zone.

Interesting... thanks! Should probably break the news to him eh, so he knows the technicality for future games...

Sounds like a fun mission. I haven’t played that combo yet.

To answer your questions, the leader does indeed need to be 100% inside the zone. Checkout the definition of “within” on page 46 of the RRG. Contrast that with the definition of “at”. Breakthrough uses “within” in the description.

Im afraid the vehicle movement was not legal. Page 18 under Climb and Clamber:

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When a unit climbs or clambers, its minis must be placed
such that each mini’s base is fully on a flat surface; a mini’s
base cannot overhang a ledge . If there is not room for a
unit leader’s base on the surface that the unit is climbing or
clambering to, or if any mini’s base cannot be fully on a flat
surface and maintain cohesion, that unit cannot perform
that climb or clamber action.

Edit: wow double ninja’d

****... yea. I have played Destiny with him before and he hates to lose, plus he knew it was my first real game... But these are good to know, I dunno how to present the information to him without him potentially getting huffy about it.

Thanks again for the reply!

It was a fun matchup, the deployment and the condition, but turn one was pretty uneventful. I opted to run both Veers and Vader, and first command card was the Long range hit from Veers since everything is basically range 4 or farther at the get go. I also learned not to waste that on an Air Speeder, and presume not to on a Commander. Definitely seems best to get a hit on a group of troopers, speaking of course from only one game of experience.

3 hours ago, nashjaee said:

Sounds like a fun mission. I haven’t played that combo yet.

To answer your questions, the leader does indeed need to be 100% inside the zone. Checkout the definition of “within” on page 46 of the RRG. Contrast that with the definition of “at”. Breakthrough uses “within” in the description.

Im afraid the vehicle movement was not legal. Page 18 under Climb and Clamber:

Edit: wow double ninja’d

I don’t get the impression from the OP that it was a climb or clamber, I get the impression it was just moving.

In that case, we don’t have any rules disallowing it from half hanging off some terrain.

4 hours ago, hobomagic said:

I dunno how to present the information to him without him potentially getting huffy about it.

Keep in mind you misplayed too.

3 hours ago, Thoras said:

I don’t get the impression from the OP that it was a climb or clamber, I get the impression it was just moving.

In that case, we don’t have any rules disallowing it from half hanging off some terrain.

Ah, OP said height 1 so I just assumed that meant taller than the mini, shorter than height 1. Thanks.

@hobomagic , if the piece of terrain he was walking over was less than half* of the mini’s height, then he can just move over without climbing. As @Thoras said, the passage I quoted doesn’t apply in that case. If it was taller than half, then it would apply.

*This is only true for vehicles. Troopers can walk over terrain shorter than their full height.

3 hours ago, Amanal said:

Keep in mind you misplayed too.

Did they? I didn't see where, it looked like both were on the opponent.

Either way there's no way this match was for any consequential prize, so I would let it go and just mention it next time it comes up in a game. Everyone is still learning, and it's definitely unfortunate when people get huffy over losing fair and square but there's not a great alternative unless you want to provoke them.

Yes I am curious about my own misplay? Not in a sense of getting defensive, but in that I am definitely still learning...

I've found that judicious use of the "we" pronoun helps to soften the tone. As in "Hey, I think we played this wrong last time...". Hopefully that makes it more clear that you aren't trying to place blame on the other guy.

4 hours ago, hobomagic said:

Yes I am curious about my own misplay? Not in a sense of getting defensive, but in that I am definitely still learning...

Your opponent is still learning too, misplaying a rule, that is equally on both of you and not him alone.

Ah yes, definitely makes sense. I feel I am equally in fault for not catching this whilst we played. There seems to be a big difference between AT range X and WITHIN range X, it's interesting that the card and presumably everywhere else, these two words are not italicized or in bold or something, as in a case like this, it's literally coming down to this wording on who won the match. Now this was a casual learning thing, but if it came down to this in a tournament, it might be a bigger issue?

I think by the time we get to a tournament we will be far better at the rules than we are now. I would also hope that the first few tournaments are equally as casual and relaxed and thus even if you did make a similar mistake it would be caught and corrected without fuss or penalty.

19 hours ago, nashjaee said:

I've found that judicious use of the "we" pronoun helps to soften the tone. As in "Hey, I think we played this wrong last time...". Hopefully that makes it more clear that you aren't trying to place blame on the other guy.

This, and don't mention the fact that it changes who won. He'll realize it or he won't. But it will be clear.

Yea I said something to the extent of discussing the match and that a friend brought the difference between the words to my attention, and that it's something we need to keep in mind going forward.