So it seems like it is allaowed RAW, but gameplay wise it seems pretty lame Luke can equip a targeting scope on his lightsaber to get a reroll in close combat. How do you feel about this, is rules written the only things that matter, or does card name and artwork play a factor in what you can do with it?
Edited by DwingTargeting scopes on Luke Skywalker
Name and artwork don't matter.
In my opinion if it feels "gamey" then it is gamey. Always think about what you are about to do when playing a game. Ask yourself will this make the game experience better for myself AND my opponent, and would I want somebody to do this to me? Just because you CAN do it, doesn't mean that you SHOULD do it.
I'm amused as heck by the idea of a lightsaber with a targeting scope on it, personally.
I mean it works for his DL-44 as well
Nothing wrong with a scope mounted on a blaster pistol...
perhaps it can “counts as” some frequency modulator attachment or focusing crystal for his saber which makes it slightly more effective, or more in-tune with his force will.
Ultimately, you’re paying 8points for an extra re-roll during attack. The name and the “fluff” of how it happens shouldn’t affect the basic game mechanic you are using.
This is my lesson from warhammer40k conversions.
-mark
5 hours ago, Oberron said:Name and artwork don't matter.
Big +1 here. If you feel bad for doing this, fight against an AT-ST. Your guilt will subside immediately as 4 independent attacks spill forth from the heavily armored chicken walker!
There’s a historical miniatures game designer (Sam Mustafa) who often says that if you feel a particular tactic or formation is ahistorical or otherwise incorrect, well then don’t do it!
I subscribe wholeheartedly to that recommendation.
1 hour ago, kac said:There’s a historical miniatures game designer (Sam Mustafa) who often says that if you feel a particular tactic or formation is ahistorical or otherwise incorrect, well then don’t do it!
I subscribe wholeheartedly to that recommendation.
Good thing this is fantasy.
As long as you can use an aim token for melee attacks, then you're all good.
Just imagine you are using Ezra's first lightsaber and you are good.
Why does theme matter? It's a game mechanic. Equip scopes and enjoy rerolling 3 dice.
Why does theme matter? Because yatzee is for beernight!
1 hour ago, Dwing said:Why does theme matter? Because yatzee is for beernight!
Well you can play Yatzee. I'm putting scopes on Luke and slaying Stormtroopers with all my rerolls.
On 31.3.2018 at 11:08 AM, Dwing said:So it seems like it is allaowed RAW, but gameplay wise it seems pretty lame Luke can equip a targeting scope on his lightsaber to get a reroll in close combat. How do you feel about this, is rules written the only things that matter, or does card name and artwork play a factor in what you can do with it?
This is about the same as Stormtrooper who mount the scope on Grenates.
They could have called it different. For exampe "Blue Milk Buff". Or wrote a limit on the score like Guns only, but for this they had to define "Guns".
It might sound strange to use a scope on a melee attack, but it is fine. Just dont think to much about it.
11 minutes ago, Tokra said:This is about the same as Stormtrooper who mount the scope on Grenates.
They could have called it different. For exampe "Blue Milk Buff". Or wrote a limit on the score like Guns only, but for this they had to define "Guns".
It might sound strange to use a scope on a melee attack, but it is fine. Just dont think to much about it.
It's just a wierd cornercase where its not clear what the designers intended. The card art and name represent a scope, but yes it works on lightsaber, barrel Guns, grenades etc.
1 hour ago, Dwing said:It's just a wierd cornercase where its not clear what the designers intended. The card art and name represent a scope, but yes it works on lightsaber, barrel Guns, grenades etc.
Personally, I can guarantee that targeting scopes won't work on light sabres, grenades, etc in any of my games!
Just to clarify, often the names given in these games are just fluff, the RPG is the same with talent names. You pay for the upgrade card you can use its mechanical benefits, in much the same way an aim token will help you but with melee also, it allows for innovative tactics. FFG occasionally makes a mistake with wording but if they intended it to work with ranged, they would have said range on the cards.
On 3/31/2018 at 8:08 AM, kac said:There’s a historical miniatures game designer (Sam Mustafa) who often says that if you feel a particular tactic or formation is ahistorical or otherwise incorrect, well then don’t do it!
I subscribe wholeheartedly to that recommendation.
He's right but FFG games are inherently gamey... and Legion is particularly abstract.
Contextually, gaining the ability to reroll melee via the same rule as ranged makes sense both from a simplicity standpoint and logic that you can put more effort into landing a melee strike just like hitting a target with a gun.
Issue is only the choice of words. Generally Aim is never used to describe making a melee strike more accurate. Had they simply renamed things to be more universal (Acute Reflexes instead of Enhanced Scopes for Precise 1 or using Accuracy instead of Aim for the token) it wouldnt really be an issue.
FFG uses Aim which applies to both Melee and Ranged in the RPGs
Allow me to break your verisimilitude more:
Veers can use his "Spotter 2" ability to toss out Aim tokens to two Stormtrooper units with Targeting Scopes who can then re-roll 4/6 black rifle butt dice in melee.
24 minutes ago, GreatMazinkaiser said:Allow me to break your verisimilitude more:Veers can use his "Spotter 2" ability to toss out Aim tokens to two Stormtrooper units with Targeting Scopes who can then re-roll 4/6 black rifle butt dice in melee.
Veers is the trainer on the side lines of a boxing match telling you how to throw your punches.
On 3/31/2018 at 6:15 AM, Son of Skywalker said:In my opinion if it feels "gamey" then it is gamey. Always think about what you are about to do when playing a game. Ask yourself will this make the game experience better for myself AND my opponent, and would I want somebody to do this to me? Just because you CAN do it, doesn't mean that you SHOULD do it.
Any time the Empire is about to win they should think about how gamey it is and remember that the Rebels are the good guys and not try to game it so much. /Simulation'd
Jokes aside, "gamey" to me is not letting little things slide with your opponent like forgetting to take a second action. Following RAW is part of the game.
Edited by Big EasyThe card name doesn't suit the action, but it's legal and perhaps a small compensation for Luke having 1 less force power than his papa.
Personally I am fine with anything that encourages people to continue to use the 2 expensive commanders when their cheaper brethren get released.