Space Marine Chapters

By Kerrahn, in Deathwatch

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Brother Praetus said:

Atheosis said:

By the way. Not all chapters traditionally second battle-brothers to Deathwatch. In fact, I would imagine a significant portion don't. Space Marine chapters are, for the most part, autonomous, and many have an active dislike for the Inquisition. In particular, the Black Templars' hatred for psykers would seem in conflict with the fact that a very large percentage of Inquisitors, if not virtually all, are either psykers themselves or heavily employ pysker agents. Likewise, Dark Angels and Iron Hands are highly insular and distrustful as chapters, and generally are not known to work with others if they can avoid it. That isn't to say that they have never or will never second people to Deathwatch so much as to say that they shouldn't be among the six core chapters presented in a game called "Deathwatch". Chapters such as the Ultramarines, Crimson Fists, and Space Wolves fit that bill far, far better.

To be honest, the Space Wolves dislike and distrust the inquisition for their own reasons; namely, the Canis Helix and how easy its effects can be perceived as a sign wanton genetic deviance and possible Chaos corruption. There have been those who attempted or recommended censure of the chapter for this reason (both presented in their old codex and the novels). Never mind that Russ himself showed signs of the wulfen. That being said, the Space Wolves are all about duty, honor, and glory. It is their duty to second battle brothers to the Deathwatch when requested and available. It is an honor to serve one of the chamber militant of the Holy Inquisition. It is a call to greater glory in service to their Emperor, their Primarch and their Chapter. That, and an opportunity to both build respect with ones peers and learn new tricks. Logan Grimnar is a cunning old wolf, after all.

-=Brother Praetus=-

All very true. I simply singled out the Space Wolves because the lore makes it pretty clear that they second to Deathwatch on a regular basis. In all honesty, the Space Wolves' relationship to the Inquisition is kind of puzzling...

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Kanluwen said:

Atheosis said:

SonofDorn said:

As much as I love the Crimson Fists, they can't really afford to spare any Marines, can they? Aren't they down to less than 500 able-bodied Marines after what happened on Rynn's World?

If they can, they'd make great Ork Hunters.

There's quite a bit of fluff that suggests that they work pretty closely with the Inquisition. Pre-Rynn's World I'm almost certain they probably did second men to Deathwatch on a regular basis. Afterwards might be a different matter, but a handful of marines (I doubt many chapters second more than half a dozen at a time) isn't going to make much of a difference even if they only have around 500. Though now that I think about it if the timeline is the same as Dark Heresy, it does seem less likely seeing as they would likely only number 300-400 at that time. Remember that they were actually reduced to roughly one hundred after Rynn's World.

So ultimately you probably have a point.

Last I heard, the Crimson Fists and Scythes both are no longer seconding actual Battle-Brothers...but are contributing well-trained Scout squads to the Deathwatch prior to their ascension to full Battle-Brother status.

Where'd you read that?

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Atheosis said:

Kanluwen said:

Atheosis said:

SonofDorn said:

As much as I love the Crimson Fists, they can't really afford to spare any Marines, can they? Aren't they down to less than 500 able-bodied Marines after what happened on Rynn's World?

If they can, they'd make great Ork Hunters.

There's quite a bit of fluff that suggests that they work pretty closely with the Inquisition. Pre-Rynn's World I'm almost certain they probably did second men to Deathwatch on a regular basis. Afterwards might be a different matter, but a handful of marines (I doubt many chapters second more than half a dozen at a time) isn't going to make much of a difference even if they only have around 500. Though now that I think about it if the timeline is the same as Dark Heresy, it does seem less likely seeing as they would likely only number 300-400 at that time. Remember that they were actually reduced to roughly one hundred after Rynn's World.

So ultimately you probably have a point.

Last I heard, the Crimson Fists and Scythes both are no longer seconding actual Battle-Brothers...but are contributing well-trained Scout squads to the Deathwatch prior to their ascension to full Battle-Brother status.

Where'd you read that?

God only knows. Probably an Index Astartes from a White Dwarf ages ago.

Even if they aren't, it *would* make a kind of sense. Lets them develop their Scout cadres more and ensure that when they reach full Brother status...they're more experienced than most Veterans.

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Kanluwen said:

Atheosis said:

Kanluwen said:

Atheosis said:

SonofDorn said:

As much as I love the Crimson Fists, they can't really afford to spare any Marines, can they? Aren't they down to less than 500 able-bodied Marines after what happened on Rynn's World?

If they can, they'd make great Ork Hunters.

There's quite a bit of fluff that suggests that they work pretty closely with the Inquisition. Pre-Rynn's World I'm almost certain they probably did second men to Deathwatch on a regular basis. Afterwards might be a different matter, but a handful of marines (I doubt many chapters second more than half a dozen at a time) isn't going to make much of a difference even if they only have around 500. Though now that I think about it if the timeline is the same as Dark Heresy, it does seem less likely seeing as they would likely only number 300-400 at that time. Remember that they were actually reduced to roughly one hundred after Rynn's World.

So ultimately you probably have a point.

Last I heard, the Crimson Fists and Scythes both are no longer seconding actual Battle-Brothers...but are contributing well-trained Scout squads to the Deathwatch prior to their ascension to full Battle-Brother status.

Where'd you read that?

God only knows. Probably an Index Astartes from a White Dwarf ages ago.

Even if they aren't, it *would* make a kind of sense. Lets them develop their Scout cadres more and ensure that when they reach full Brother status...they're more experienced than most Veterans.

It would also lead to a much higher casualty rate amongst recruits. It kind of makes sense I'll admit, but it would seem a chapter would have to recruit more to make up for the fact that working for Deathwatch is extremely hazardous, especially for lowly scouts.

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Atheosis said:

It would also lead to a much higher casualty rate amongst recruits. It kind of makes sense I'll admit, but it would seem a chapter would have to recruit more to make up for the fact that working for Deathwatch is extremely hazardous, especially for lowly scouts.

See, but remember that part of the issue for these two Chapters isn't just the lack of geneseedbut the lack of equipment to outfit the full Battle-Brothers. Both had suffered heavy casualties, and both faced opponents that break down raw materials into such a mess that you pretty much have to write the equipment off.

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Read in the News : Onward, Battle-Brothers! Join me next week as I pull back the curtain a bit and talk about the Space Marine Chapters featured in Deathwatch.

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Santiago said:

I'd say:

Ultra Marines
Space Wolves
Dark Angels
Grey Knights
Blood Angels
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1 Ancient obscure Chapter made up by FFG which will be cooler than the rest....perhaps a redeemed Traitor Legion or something

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My guess mirrors many of the other posters:

1. Ultramarines

2. Space Wolves

3. Blood Angels

4. Either Imperial Fists or Dark Angels

5. Either Black Templars or Iron Hands

6. Blood Ravens

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I very much hope that the Dark Angels are included. They remain my favourite chapter.

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Wilfred Owen said:

I very much hope that the Dark Angels are included. They remain my favourite chapter.

As they are to many others, especially TT players. Which is why I think they have a very good chance of being included. That, and that they are so ... well, dark ... and mysterious. lengua.gif

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Sister Cat said:

Wilfred Owen said:

I very much hope that the Dark Angels are included. They remain my favourite chapter.

As they are to many others, especially TT players. Which is why I think they have a very good chance of being included. That, and that they are so ... well, dark ... and mysterious. lengua.gif

Plus they have - in my opinion - the best look; power armour and templar robes. Always a good mix.

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Gillam Harrow said:

Santiago said:

I'd say:

Ultra Marines
Space Wolves
Dark Angels
Grey Knights
Blood Angels
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1 Ancient obscure Chapter made up by FFG which will be cooler than the rest....perhaps a redeemed Traitor Legion or something

a redeemed traitor legion? like who? soul Drinkers, who fight Chaos and the Imperium at the same time? that'd be a sight

(rant) NOOOOOOOO, no emo-ibrarian Sarpedooon, aaaaaaghrr!!! (/rant)

Well, it wouldn´t be a problemm to play a Soul Drinker with more or less regular Sons Of Dorn chapters template, as all what is written in Soul Drinkers novels (which would be awesome... if there wouldn´t be any Soul Drinkers) happened sometime around 990s.M41 onward and 40kRPG games are generaly set during the first half of ninth Millenium:).

Looking forward that design diary though.

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I'd like to see the following Chapters make it to the game:

1) Ultramarines: They're not only the flagship/poster children for Space Marines in GW products, but they've got plenty of Xenos experience.

2) Space Wolves: I can't think of a good reason why I wouldn't want to have a Space Wolf in a DW kill team. Their senses are heightened and they're great in close quarters. Despite having a suspicious outlook on the Inquisition, they'd be an asset to a DW kill team.

3) Imperial Fists: Great at fortifying positions and indomitable wills. Only downside is their innate stubbornness.

4) Dark Angels: I need to brush up on my DA lore a bit, but everyone seems to like them.

5) Blood Angels: Another Chapter of great melee warriors with Xenos experience to boot. Red Thirst/Black Rage makes them a bit dodgy.

6) Iron Hands or Salamanders: I'm really torn on both of these Chapters. Neither one really get much of the spotlight, both have a wealth of interesting back story to be explored further, and both would make great DW kill team additions; the Iron Hands could provide an Iron Father and his expertise and the Salamander brings both his Chapter's reputation as humanitarians and their Xenos experience to the table.

Others that I'd like to see in the future would be the White Scars, Black Templars, Raven Guard, and Kharn the Betrayer.

Just kidding, I'd like to see the Blood Ravens in there somewhere.

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SonofDorn said:

I'd like to see the following Chapters make it to the game:

1) Ultramarines: They're not only the flagship/poster children for Space Marines in GW products, but they've got plenty of Xenos experience.

2) Space Wolves: I can't think of a good reason why I wouldn't want to have a Space Wolf in a DW kill team. Their senses are heightened and they're great in close quarters. Despite having a suspicious outlook on the Inquisition, they'd be an asset to a DW kill team.

3) Imperial Fists: Great at fortifying positions and indomitable wills. Only downside is their innate stubbornness.

4) Dark Angels: I need to brush up on my DA lore a bit, but everyone seems to like them.

5) Blood Angels: Another Chapter of great melee warriors with Xenos experience to boot. Red Thirst/Black Rage makes them a bit dodgy.

6) Iron Hands or Salamanders: I'm really torn on both of these Chapters. Neither one really get much of the spotlight, both have a wealth of interesting back story to be explored further, and both would make great DW kill team additions; the Iron Hands could provide an Iron Father and his expertise and the Salamander brings both his Chapter's reputation as humanitarians and their Xenos experience to the table.

Others that I'd like to see in the future would be the White Scars, Black Templars, Raven Guard, and Kharn the Betrayer.

Just kidding, I'd like to see the Blood Ravens in there somewhere.

All Chapters have extensive experience fighting aliens.

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SonofDorn said:

Others that I'd like to see in the future would be the White Scars, Black Templars, Raven Guard, and Kharn the Betrayer.

Just kidding, I'd like to see the Blood Ravens in there somewhere.

( *A tall cloaked man confronts SonofDorn. The symbol of Ordo Hereticus is visible on his chest.* )

"Just kidding"? I see. Well, if you don´t mind I would like you to follow these two Acolytes. They will escort you to a quiet place. Someplace where we can have a private discussion about this...humour...of yours.

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Anybody else notice that the Blood Angels codex is the next one to updated. I just got the email from Games workshop.

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Drais said:

Anybody else notice that the Blood Angels codex is the next one to updated. I just got the email from Games workshop.

Missed that. But ... I did just realize that the marine on the top right of the DW home page has the Blood Angels symbol on his jump-pack. Can't believe I just noticed that. lengua.gif

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Looking closely at the Deathwatch main page I think I've identified the Dark Angels as the Marine on the left. Look at the symbol on the belt of the marine. Looks like Dark Angels colors and Iconography to me. The Right side is clearly a Blood Angel or one of it's secondary founding chapter's marines. There are tear icons all over his armor.

I think those two chapters really add a lot in terms of party mix if their included.

The Dark Angel will have a secondary motive in tracking down and silencing "traitor" Dark Angels before they are caught.

The Blood Angel will have to deal with the inevitable downward spiral that is leading to gaining "The Black Rage". Then there is the thirst, after all.

I really hope those pics are indicative of two of the included chapters at least.

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I just looked at the illustrations on the main page (for the first time lol), and yes it is indeed a Blood Angel and a Dark Angel (with what looks like artificer armor). Kind of lame if you ask me. I'm just about as sick of those two chapters as I am of the Ultramarines. Anyway, I'm starting to assume that FFG is just going to go the easy route and feature the Chapters that have their own codexes. After all, they all have so much lore already. So the list is almost certainly:

1. Ultramarines

2. Blood Angels

3. Dark Angels

4. Space Wolves

5. Black Templars

6. Wildcard pick

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Atheosis said:

I just looked at the illustrations on the main page (for the first time lol), and yes it is indeed a Blood Angel and a Dark Angel (with what looks like artificer armor). Kind of lame if you ask me. I'm just about as sick of those two chapters as I am of the Ultramarines. Anyway, I'm starting to assume that FFG is just going to go the easy route and feature the Chapters that have their own codexes. After all, they all have so much lore already. So the list is almost certainly:

1. Ultramarines

2. Blood Angels

3. Dark Angels

4. Space Wolves

5. Black Templars

6. Wildcard pick

I said as much more than a week ago, but #6 won't be an existing named Chapter, but rather one FFG makes up. That way they get to create their own background, Chapter mysteries, traditions, etc. without fear of contradicting any other material. Let's face it, they can only do so much with Space Wolves or Dark Angels, but with a Chapter of their own devising, they can pretty much run wild. It's also why you won't see Blood Ravens since THQ made them up to give themselves that flexibility too. So all you fans of Salamanders, Iron Hands, Crimson Fists, etc. you'll be SOL for "official" material, at least in the core.

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I'd be happy with one home brew chapter in the book for the Jericho Reach area (or whatever it's called).

Blood Ravens would be cool, but I can understand that being the property of THQ and thereby not being included.

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LeBlanc13 said:

I'd be happy with one home brew chapter in the book for the Jericho Reach area (or whatever it's called).

Blood Ravens would be cool, but I can understand that being the property of THQ and thereby not being included.

Actually, they're wholly the property of GW, and so can appear in any official 40k material. FFG could use them if they liked, but they almost certainly won't.

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mac40k said:

Atheosis said:

I just looked at the illustrations on the main page (for the first time lol), and yes it is indeed a Blood Angel and a Dark Angel (with what looks like artificer armor). Kind of lame if you ask me. I'm just about as sick of those two chapters as I am of the Ultramarines. Anyway, I'm starting to assume that FFG is just going to go the easy route and feature the Chapters that have their own codexes. After all, they all have so much lore already. So the list is almost certainly:

1. Ultramarines

2. Blood Angels

3. Dark Angels

4. Space Wolves

5. Black Templars

6. Wildcard pick

I said as much more than a week ago, but #6 won't be an existing named Chapter, but rather one FFG makes up. That way they get to create their own background, Chapter mysteries, traditions, etc. without fear of contradicting any other material. Let's face it, they can only do so much with Space Wolves or Dark Angels, but with a Chapter of their own devising, they can pretty much run wild. It's also why you won't see Blood Ravens since THQ made them up to give themselves that flexibility too. So all you fans of Salamanders, Iron Hands, Crimson Fists, etc. you'll be SOL for "official" material, at least in the core.

Yeah, silly me hoping for something a bit different for once. As soon as I went and actually looked at the DW main page, I knew I was being an idiot to think they wouldn't focus on the same crap that GW does with the TT game. Oh well, guess I'll just have to come up with my own rules for the Chapters I actually like (Raven Guard, Salamanders, and Iron Hands).

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I would not be surprised if half of them weren't known or only known by name in the current background. Deathwatch recruit from chapters local to a region so including chapters from all across the Imperium is less believable than using one of the many as yet unnamed ones. The fact that the unnamed chapters vastly outnumber the named ones means that really they should almost all be unnamed chapters and most of them should have Ultramarines as their progenitor legion.

I know FFG wont just use the statistics to make their decisions but from their previous books they have had no problem ignoring ground that has been already trodden to cover new areas which I am much more interested in. I would be very happy if no named chapters appeared in Deathwatch or at the very least no first founding ones. I know I won't be getting my wish but its nice to hope.

Kaihlik

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Kaihlik said:

I would not be surprised if half of them weren't known or only known by name in the current background. Deathwatch recruit from chapters local to a region so including chapters from all across the Imperium is less believable than using one of the many as yet unnamed ones. The fact that the unnamed chapters vastly outnumber the named ones means that really they should almost all be unnamed chapters and most of them should have Ultramarines as their progenitor legion.

I know FFG wont just use the statistics to make their decisions but from their previous books they have had no problem ignoring ground that has been already trodden to cover new areas which I am much more interested in. I would be very happy if no named chapters appeared in Deathwatch or at the very least no first founding ones. I know I won't be getting my wish but its nice to hope.

Kaihlik

I'm of similar mind, but the fact that they have both the Blood Angels and Dark Angels on the front page doesn't bode well for such hopes.