I want to play tournament sized games from day one (6'x3' table / 800 points?).
I want to play all (both) factions.
I want to be able to play all options on max and vary between them (e.g. Vader + all Stormtroopers / no Speeder Bikes).
How many core boxes do I need?
I think the max number of stormtrooper squads is 6 (from covenant GenCon video). Each core set contains 2 sqauds. So 3 cores to be able to max out on stormtroopers.
Are there exactly 400 points of Imperials in the box? And Vader is 200 points? That would mean, that there are 200 points of troops per box. So I need 3 core boxes?
Edited by DerBaerHow many Speeder Bikes are max for a list?
Depends on the cost of upgrades.
For Runewars you could play full battle with 2 cores, but no real room for variation.
Im guessing 3 cores is enough to give good variation. I think 4 cores is a waste as future armies will include Special forces and heavy units, which we havnt seen yet
Edited by Heilbuth2 minutes ago, DerBaer said:How many Speeder Bikes are max for a list?
3 (they are support)
The max amount of care sets that you can use is three. You only need 2 for a complete army.
Empire: Vader (200), 2x Speederbikes (180), 4x Troops of Stormtroopers (176) = 556 without any upgrades
+ 4x extra Stormtrooper (44), 4x special weapon Stormtrooper (96 - 136) = 696 - 736
Now add some force powers (20 - 30) and some other upgrades like long-range comlinks (20), grenades or targeting scopes and you will hit your 800 points rather fast.
But if FFG manages to put out Wave 1 at the same time as the core set than i would imagine you would want one core set plus one of each expansion to fill a complete army.
Edited by Reaver02714 minutes ago, Reaver027 said:But if FFG manages to put out Wave 1 at the same time as the core set than i would imagine you would want one core set plus one of each expansion to fill a complete army.
Thats a big if. Runewars wave 1 was 2-3 month behind the core game
26 minutes ago, Heilbuth said:Depends on the cost of upgrades.
For Runewars you could play full battle with 2 cores, but no real room for variation.
Im guessing 3 cores is enough to give good variation. I think 4 cores is a waste as future armies will include Special forces and heavy units, which we havnt seen yet
I can imagine core swarm will be an option like tie swarms was at some point. Exploiting supression mechanic etc.
55 minutes ago, Heilbuth said:I think the max number of stormtrooper squads is 6 (from covenant GenCon video).
Can this be confirmed?
That the maximum number of squads is 6?
Seems odd. The maximum, in an Epic game of XWing, for one type of ship is 12. This makes sense as that is a full Squadron. From my research a full platoon of Stormtroopers is 4 Squads, and 4 platoons make a company. If this is meant to be a platoon sized game I'd get that, but why have the maximum at 6?
I sound like a number nerd don't I, but I am curious as to IF the max is 6 and if so why?
Edit: knowing games are intended to be small scale and not massive battles is a good thing. A selling point in my book. I'm not complaining.
Just didn't want any misunderstanding as to the reason behind my question.
Edited by Tommy Blunderbuss11 minutes ago, Tommy Blunderbuss said:Can this be confirmed?
That the maximum number of squads is 6?
Check out the Pic i posted above.
Its from the Covenant GenCon video (game designer holding the rulebook)
1-2 commanders
3-6 corps
0-3 special forces
0-3 support units
0-2 heavy units
I'm just going with 2 myself. And hopefully having people pay for my pre-orders for Christmas. Lol. Anything beyond that I can wait on expansions while I'm painting, learning the game, and getting other people hooked.
Probably 2.
The price difference, once you factor in a dice set and a movement tool set is probably negligible - and you'll have a spare Vader (to paint in Hello Kitty colours!)
Edited by Jedirev
My question would be are they likely to start doing tournaments before Wave 1 Extra Expansions are out?
Who is they? Do not put faith in FFG's OP system. Local players with material and an itch to play tend to put events together on their own.
28 minutes ago, Heilbuth said:Check out the Pic i posted above.
Its from the Covenant GenCon video (game designer holding the rulebook)
I'm on a mobile and the picture didn't appear first time. That is good.
Might sound silly but I was expecting Legion to be played with more units. Was just reading a similar topic on the Armada side of the forums.
Star Wars: Platoon is something I, and my wallet, can live with.
1 minute ago, Tommy Blunderbuss said:I'm on a mobile and the picture didn't appear first time. That is good.
Might sound silly but I was expecting Legion to be played with more units. Was just reading a similar topic on the Armada side of the forums.
Star Wars: Platoon is something I, and my wallet, can live with.
Other games (you know who I mean!) have a FOC (Force Organisation Chart) that you can dispense with for other (i.e. larger) modes of play. SW:L is young, maybe in a few years we'll see really large scale battles, but for now, I'm very much in favour of FFG turning out a balanced, and sustainable game. Let's not get ahead of ourselves - or push FFG to do so either.
18 minutes ago, qwertyuiop said:Who is they? Do not put faith in FFG's OP system. Local players with material and an itch to play tend to put events together on their own.
They dare rebel against our FFG overlords?
1 minute ago, Undeadguy said:They dare rebel against our FFG overlords?
Wipe them out, all of them.
Just now, Jedirev said:Other games (you know who I mean!) have a FOC (Force Organisation Chart) that you can dispense with for other (i.e. larger) modes of play. SW:L is young, maybe in a few years we'll see really large scale battles, but for now, I'm very much in favour of FFG turning out a balanced, and sustainable game. Let's not get ahead of ourselves - or push FFG to do so either.
Small armies is preferable to me too. Now that I can see the posted image, and the list, I am feeling a lot happier about purchasing this.
Two core sets - boom - I've got my platoon. Then I can add around that.
I keep seeing people reference 'Expansions'. That really isn't how tabletop wargames work. You could (or at least should be able to) build a useable force from the core set (adding in additional Stormtroopers) and never have to add anything else. It's more useful to think in terms of a greater variety of options being added that you could use - if you wanted. It's more usual in tabletop gaming to see campaign books (background/rules for new units/new scenarios) with the relevant minis being available at the same time...it would be unusual to see this as one boxed product.
An example is the recent Operation Sealion from Bolt Action...a 'what if' campaign book re the planned German invasion of the British Isles. There's a book with army lists, units and scenarios and also a separate range(s) of minis. They're designed to work together but not reliant on one another.
With two core sets the Empire can field 800 points but the Rebels can't. That does surprise me a little.
From what i read on reddit grenades are 5 points and targeting scopes are 6. Thats 44 points extra for the Empire and 50 more for the Rebels. The Empire can upgrade ne of the special weapons because the AT-RT got armor to get to 800 points. Rebels could upgrade their special weapons but i don't know how many points we can squeeze out of that or if it would be useful at all. So the Rebels would be a good 100 points behind the Empire with just two core sets.
22 minutes ago, Tommy Blunderbuss said:Small armies is preferable to me too. Now that I can see the posted image, and the list, I am feeling a lot happier about purchasing this.
Two core sets - boom - I've got my platoon. Then I can add around that.
Totally agree
Going for 2 cores as well
3 hours ago, Heilbuth said:3 (they are support)
Just to be sure ... that's three units of two speeder bikes each?