13 minutes ago, VanorDM said:

You can see the difference when you have two models next to each other, but noticing the difference on the table is going to be a lot harder. If you don't mix Legion models with IA models the difference will nearly impossible to tell, since all the models will be the same size.

Game wise, if you put them on slightly taller bases then there will be no effective difference in terms of LoS or cover.

Now if you don't want to do that with your collection that's fine, but if you throw a fit and refuse to play with someone else who does in a casual setting, that's not fine, that makes you one of those guys.

Right, I guess if you didn't mix the models it wouldn't be that bad. It wasn't really what I had in mind, though- I totally wanted to mix.

And of course, anyone can do with their own collection what they please.

I want to make something clear...

I have no issue with people using IA models for existing Legion units, because I don't see how anyone can really complain about a slightly smaller stormtrooper next to other same sized stormtroopers on a table, behind cover from 3 feet away. Even if they're not on Legion bases, you just mentally adjust LoS a tiny bit... It's not like true LoS is actually 100% agreed upon in any other game. There's always some wiggle room.

Mixing units is a different thing because then the size difference is going to be more noticeable. But even then I doubt most people would pick up on it when playing.

This however is different than the idea that there should be some sort of conversion pack for IA so you can use your IA collection in Legion, because that is quite frankly unreasonable for a couple reasons.

1) No one in their right mind should really expect FFG to say "Tell you what, you buy this $50 box, and you can skip spending $200+ on Legion models, because you'll have everything you need in the box"

2) It would then cost FFG even more money up front to develop and playtest those IA models for Legion, since most of them don't even exist yet, and may never exist. We may see things like Sandpeople or Boba Fett in Legion at some point, but I can't see them putting Nexu or Wampa in the game. But then they'd have to come up with stats for all those models before they see a single dime in sales.

3) The massive complaints by people who don't have everything in IA already having to spend $50 for the kit, and then buy the whole line of Imperial Assault... I mean people complain about not having enough dice as a cash grab... Imagine the flames if you had to buy the whole IA line. And for any serious player that wouldn't really be much of an option if you wanted a balanced game.

This is where I don't see the point to complaining about this. If you have IA miniatures and want to use them in home games, who's stopping you? Unless you have terrible friends, if you want to play the game use quarters and dimes for all I care. This only is going to be an issue for tournament play, and there is not ONE war game that allows you to proxy miniatures in any way. If that's not for you, just don't play in tournaments. Just the same way you couldn't use WoTC Star Wars minis in skirmish tournaments for IA. They are not the same game, they're not meant to be the same game, so they don't need to be mutually exclusive. If you have thousands of dollars of IA minis, make your own rules and just do you.

unless they release some means of allowing me to use my 30ish MM FFG Star Wars miniatures in their 30ish MM FFG Star Wars Miniatures game then I'm not going to buy into it.

Are you trying to hold your IA figures hostage?

Guys I think he's serious ... Someone get Christian Petersen on the phone dammit!

I think I agree with VanorDM.

Nobody is expecting FFG to produce cheap compatibility kits to make stuff from one game usable with another.

However, within the miniatures hobby (if you're not tied to a specific game system) it is already a pain to find minis from different manufacturers that work well together in terms of scale and proportions. It would have been nice of FFG to take this into account and staid with the 28mm scale used in IA for Star Wars infantry so that their customers end up with a nice collection of compatible minis.

This of course assumes FFG likes their customers to repurpose their products for use with other games.

And no : going to 32mm as that allows for more detail is bogus. You can achieve good detail in 28mm as well. The only reason to go to another scale or different normal/heroic proportions is to differentiate your product form other stuff.

I'm sad about the differences in scale because I cant use IA models as alternate sculpts. Additionally, it also means FFG will have to re-sculpt and re-print many of the upcoming releases, wouldn't it have been easier to release Agent kallus and Hera later if you already have the molds up and running? It would be a pretty easy wave 1 release to push out an Imperial AT-ST and scout snipers (or whatever) and a rebel Han and Chewie commander/character pack and wookie freedom fighter (or whatever) if the models already exist. All you need is a repack of the models and new cards!

Also, it would be awesome if when we get a news update for one, it means we could look forward to a news update for the other. But, whatever, they're two different games two different scales, I just want my Imps.

A unit of Wookiees only makes sense in a post ROTJ timeline. There were only a tiny handful of free Wookiee doruing the civil war era.

43 minutes ago, TylerTT said:

A unit of Wookiees only makes sense in a post ROTJ timeline. There were only a tiny handful of free Wookiee doruing the civil war era.

True. Kashik gets liberated in the Aftermath novels that happen after ROTJ and from what they say the Wookies (and Han) will be busy for a while trying to achieve total liberation but I believe that from then on is no longer the GCW era

On ‎23‎/‎08‎/‎2017 at 6:03 PM, VanorDM said:

Game wise, if you put them on slightly taller bases then there will be no effective difference in terms of LoS or cover.

I've seen LoS referenced a couple of times and I think it's worth commenting on. In wargaming generally, LoS is measure from the base of one mini to another. The height of the mini itself (assuming we're talking about human sized infantry) is not accounted for (any cover under say 6' to scale wouldn't normally block LoS) and neither is the pose of the mini. Don't forget - the mini is a playing piece, if it's modelled in a crouching position the assumption is that he is able to stand, march or run...if not, nobody would ever buy minis in crouched or prone poses!

2 minutes ago, tuco74 said:

I've seen LoS referenced a couple of times and I think it's worth commenting on. In wargaming generally, LoS is measure from the base of one mini to another. The height of the mini itself (assuming we're talking about human sized infantry) is not accounted for (any cover under say 6' to scale wouldn't normally block LoS) and neither is the pose of the mini. Don't forget - the mini is a playing piece, if it's modelled in a crouching position the assumption is that he is able to stand, march or run...if not, nobody would ever buy minis in crouched or prone poses!

Very debatable, and depends on the game. 40k is true line of sight, not bases...Infinity silhouettes, not bases.

Warmachine uses a cylinder based on the bases size, not just the bases itself.

So some games use true LoS, others use the base as the bottom of a "LoS volume", and some just use the base itself.

On 8/25/2017 at 9:16 AM, Extropia said:

Very debatable, and depends on the game.

Yeah, and Alex did say that Legion would use true LoS. So it's not just base to base with a cinder or something. Also I think more games use true LoS then don't. Infinity and Warmahordes doesn't. But 40k, Bolt Action, AoS, Frostgrave, ect... Those all use true LoS.

23 minutes ago, VanorDM said:

Yeah, and Alex did say that Legion would use true LoS. So it's not just base to base with a cinder or something. Also I think more games use true LoS then don't. Infinity and Warmahordes doesn't. But 40k, Bolt Action, AoS, Frostgrave, ect... Those all use true LoS.

So is 'true' LOS mini-to-mini measured by stringline from the eye of one mini to any part of another? Just wondering I haven't played any games like that.

Just now, Handler said:

So is 'true' LOS mini-to-mini measured by stringline from the eye of one mini to any part of another?

Yeah that's how it works in theory at least. It's of course hard to always get the correct LoS because of terrain between you and the model that's shooting.

GW actually had a laser sight that had a bend in it so you could put the emitter over the model and the beam would be from eye level on the model.

8 minutes ago, Handler said:

So is 'true' LOS mini-to-mini measured by stringline from the eye of one mini to any part of another? Just wondering I haven't played any games like that.

Yep. if the model can "see" another model, it has LoS.

I don't want the IA figures to be compatible with Legion. I like opening brand new boxes way too much. If FFG needs to make new molds to carry over some of the figures, fine. I'm cool with a bigger rancor, hovertank, AT-ST, probe droid, nexu, wookiees, and various heroes and troops. Who knows? Maybe with new molds comes cooler sculpts? Honestly, what hobbyist (or role player) wouldn't want a rancor that's about 15% bigger than the one we can buy now, and as a single model?

1 hour ago, qwertyuiop said:

I don't want the IA figures to be compatible with Legion. I like opening brand new boxes way too much. If FFG needs to make new molds to carry over some of the figures, fine. I'm cool with a bigger rancor, hovertank, AT-ST, probe droid, nexu, wookiees, and various heroes and troops. Who knows? Maybe with new molds comes cooler sculpts? Honestly, what hobbyist (or role player) wouldn't want a rancor that's about 15% bigger than the one we can buy now, and as a single model?

I couldn't agree more. I love the new scale. When I first saw the pics and videos, my first thought was, wow, that looks fantastic - even though I have painted literally shelf loads of IA minis. I can't wait to paint the larger Legion minis!