Just now, Iceeagle85 said:Oh but they can be, make painting sessions with your friends, teach each other what you can and help each other out. And you can also do terrain or minaaitures assembling sessions. There is so much more than just playing you can do together.
Congratulations, now everyone is basically sitting down around a table with a collection of unplayable, unassembled minis.
This does not appeal to many people.
5 minutes ago, thecactusman17 said:This does not appeal to many people.
Well games like these are not for everyone, and you might think painting or building a great table or an army together is no fun but maybe you should try it at least once.
Just now, Iceeagle85 said:Well games like these are not for everyone, and you might think painting or building a great table or an army together is no fun but maybe you should try it at least once.
I tried it for several years. I've spent thousands of dollars on 40K, Warmahordes, and other miniatures games. I don't regret my time with those games and they've directly lead to improvements in my life and a host of great friends.
I stopped with those games. It's not fun spending hours putting together and painting dozens of intricate models while hoping that some day you get to finally play with the other gamers at the store. The constant need to update with new unpainted, unassembled miniatures further compounds this issue.
2 minutes ago, thecactusman17 said:I tried it for several years. I've spent thousands of dollars on 40K, Warmahordes, and other miniatures games. I don't regret my time with those games and they've directly lead to improvements in my life and a host of great friends.
I stopped with those games. It's not fun spending hours putting together and painting dozens of intricate models while hoping that some day you get to finally play with the other gamers at the store. The constant need to update with new unpainted, unassembled miniatures further compounds this issue.
I can totaly understand you but then as sad as it might sound these games are not for you, yes one piece miniatures can be made but you can do more design wise if they are multipart and well painting as discussed here could be expensive if you want a decent quality. So if you don't want to assemble (probably not that big of a deal in Legion, certainly not as big as in 40K) and paint and don't want to pay someone for doing it then yes these kind of games are not for you.
I can understand you want to play Legion but you either have to bite the bullet and paint/assemble or pay for it or skip the game. I'm quite sure we won't change FFGs stance on this and probably as already discussed they couldn't prepainted minis anyway.
Just now, Iceeagle85 said:I can totaly understand you but then as sad as it might sound these games are not for you, yes one piece miniatures can be made but you can do more design wise if they are multipart and well painting as discussed here could be expensive if you want a decent quality. So if you don't want to assemble (probably not that big of a deal in Legion, certainly not as big as in 40K) and paint and don't want to pay someone for doing it then yes these kind of games are not for you.
I can understand you want to play Legion but you either have to bite the bullet and paint/assemble or pay for it or skip the game. I'm quite sure we won't change FFGs stance on this and probably as already discussed they couldn't prepainted minis anyway.
These are one piece miniatures, watch Sorastro's painting guide. They're one piece with a single part separated for mold purposes.
4 minutes ago, thecactusman17 said:These are one piece miniatures, watch Sorastro's painting guide. They're one piece with a single part separated for mold purposes.
Thanks for the information, not that it matters much for me, but that will speed assembly up quite a bit.
Pre-painted ground troops is a bad idea multiplied by a zillion. They never look right and they lean towards garbage. For those intimidated by painting a ton of minis, relax! There are a ton of techniques to painting infantry that is simple and produce some snazzy minis. I know. I have seen the minis that look like they belong in a museum. I have seen the conversions that make Da Vinci look like he fields Tau and Chaos at the same time. And I have seen the minis that have irises and birth marks in places no player will ever see. You don't need to be on that level to produce quality troops. (Honestly, who is? Weirdos and freaks, my friends, weirdos and freaks!) Grab a pot. Grab a brush! Fire up the youtube and dive into the tutorials. Now is the time, you commanders! Now is the time! To arms! Well. To brushes. When it comes out. Next year. Aw stuff it! You know what I mean!
1 hour ago, thecactusman17 said:These are one piece miniatures, watch Sorastro's painting guide. They're one piece with a single part separated for mold purposes.
They are not one piece. The basic troops are 3 pieces and the bigger units are 4+. If you have ever assembled the runewars minis, these are the same thing.
45 minutes ago, TallTonyB said:They are not one piece. The basic troops are 3 pieces and the bigger units are 4+. If you have ever assembled the runewars minis, these are the same thing.
Can't wait. Customizing should be fun!
2 hours ago, thecactusman17 said:
Congratulations, now everyone is basically sitting down around a table with a collection of unplayable, unassembled minis.
This does not appeal to many people.
I'm not sure why the people complaining about unpainted miniatures pretend that there's no market for them when it's clearly a very popular segment of the tabletop industry.
Just because it doesn't appeal to you doesn't mean your preference is the end-all of the market forces.
6 minutes ago, Raging Celt said:Can't wait. Customizing should be fun!
It is. The plastic they use is really easy to work with. Most of the time you can get some pretty good poses just by shaving down the tabs and rotating arms and such.
I am yet to find a game by FFG where painting is mandatory. I doubt this will be different.
You could just as easily paint stormtroopers white, spot some black here and there and be done in 5 minutes as you could spend 30+ minutes on each.
Choose not to paint them at all, or paint the rebels in green and the imperials in red and make them look like plastic board game pieces if you like.
Just what ever you do, have fun, and realise that what is fun for you isn't necessarily fun for someone else.
I am not a great painter but find the results more tolerable than unpainted (Walking Dead, IA, Batman Miniature Game, Runewars, Mansions, and even Axis and Allies all have been painted at one point or another). Personally, I wouldn't complain about pre-painted minis, however, I like the increased size of these Legion minis. The enjoyment of painting the larger miniatures of Runewars/BMG is incredibly increased compared to painting IA or Mansions. I'm excited for Legion.
I'm not gonna read this entire thread, but if someone hasn't said it already, watch Sorastros painting videos on YouTube. (Imperial assault, he's only got one for Legion.)
painting is what you make of it. And let's face it, you can do a better job than pre painted stuff
55 minutes ago, Amanal said:I am yet to find a game by FFG where painting is mandatory. I doubt this will be different.
You could just as easily paint stormtroopers white, spot some black here and there and be done in 5 minutes as you could spend 30+ minutes on each.
Choose not to paint them at all, or paint the rebels in green and the imperials in red and make them look like plastic board game pieces if you like.
Just what ever you do, have fun, and realise that what is fun for you isn't necessarily fun for someone else.
Actually, the miniatures are casted in a colored plastic (dark red for rebels and can't remember which color for empire, although white would make sense). This was mentioned in one of the gazillion videos and articles I saw about the game, but I can't remember which one exactly.
Just now, Xargonaut said:Actually, the miniatures are casted in a colored plastic (dark red for rebels and can't remember which color for empire). This was mentioned in one of the gazillion videos and articles I saw about the game, but I can't remember where exactly.
Luke was an amber colour in the video, but that seems to lend itself to a painting optional stance, as much as having some colour in the pastic to make it easier to file and clean.
Just now, Amanal said:Luke was an amber colour in the video, but that seems to lend itself to a painting optional stance, as much as having some colour in the pastic to make it easier to file and clean.
I think Sorastro mentioned that the Luke mini he painted was a prototype and was not casted in the final retail material.
You are right, but I do hope the plastic will be harder than the PVC type of plastic used for other lines. Bendy guns and lightsabers, I would hope not.
I absolutely hate painting miniatures. I have spent hours painting them because they look lame to play when they aren't painted. But even then, having to paint multiples right out of the box before playing is not appealing at all. I love star wars and FFG's other games but I have to echo @thecactusman17 in this. Painting so many guys and then having to do it again and again with each new release... Not looking forward to it at all.
A Deluxe pre-painted line would please both crowds. I would be willing to shell out some money for that. No way I am getting back into painting full armies.
2 minutes ago, Kirin said:A Deluxe pre-painted line would please both crowds. I would be willing to shell out some money for that. No way I am getting back into painting full armies.
I agree. If anyone wasn't please with the painting out of the box then they can go repaint. I have seen this done in Armada and in Xwing. Part of the reason I got into Armada was the awesome paint job. I just don't see myself dropping much if any money on this, due mainly to the fact that I have to paint it all.
8 hours ago, Iceeagle85 said:I think it was clearly explained why here and in the Runewars forum, you can not compare the X-Wing/Armada ships with detailed infantry miniatures, good prepaint cost some money, look at the prepainted Arkham human sized minis they don't look that good. And yes you can repaint them, you still pay for paintjob you might not want. I think there is a reason why there are no miniature wargames feautering detailed human sized miniatures as prepainted miniatures, some tried but they didn't really look that good.
And I'm sure FFG thought the whole thing about prepainting through and as we see they didn't so it probably was not feasable.
I would say that it has not been clearly explained here, and I do nothing with Runwars (have not even seen anything about it) so anything on its site at least to me has nothing to do with this discussion. I also have no experiance with Arkham so can not say anything about their paint job, I do have some experiance with DUST (first FFG game I ever got) a miniature game that you can get detailed human sized miniatures prepainted. Now yes they do cost more than the primed only, but much less than any of the three painting services around me (they charge almost double). I can understand some not wanting it, but looking at my local area where I play in four different game groups only one game that we play is not prepainted and that is BattleTech a game we have been playing for decades, so at least in my area none prepainted games are a hard sell, there is a small group of 40K players, several X-wing groups, several Armada groups, and several BattleTech groups that are all active, we used to have a couple of flames of war groups but they have all died off for one reason or another, almost all of them did not have painted mini's, same with the warma/hord.
With prepainted minis I can consider a purchase, I already sold imperial assault because tired of paint minis.
6 hours ago, Raging Celt said:Pre-painted ground troops is a bad idea multiplied by a zillion. They never look right and they lean towards garbage. For those intimidated by painting a ton of minis, relax! There are a ton of techniques to painting infantry that is simple and produce some snazzy minis. I know. I have seen the minis that look like they belong in a museum. I have seen the conversions that make Da Vinci look like he fields Tau and Chaos at the same time. And I have seen the minis that have irises and birth marks in places no player will ever see. You don't need to be on that level to produce quality troops. (Honestly, who is? Weirdos and freaks, my friends, weirdos and freaks!) Grab a pot. Grab a brush! Fire up the youtube and dive into the tutorials. Now is the time, you commanders! Now is the time! To arms! Well. To brushes. When it comes out. Next year. Aw stuff it! You know what I mean!
I do not know what games you have played but the ones that I have played that have prepainted ground troops did not look bad, not all of them were perfect but even the worst were very far from garbage.
4 hours ago, Shadin said:I'm not sure why the people complaining about unpainted miniatures pretend that there's no market for them when it's clearly a very popular segment of the tabletop industry.
Just because it doesn't appeal to you doesn't mean your preference is the end-all of the market forces.
I am not sure that we are saying there is no market for them, but at least for me it is trying to let it be put out there that the fans of unpainted who are saying there is no market for prepainted is also not true. Just turning you thought around just because prepainted does not appeal to you does not mean your preference is the end-al of the market forces either.
2 hours ago, teajay33 said:I'm not gonna read this entire thread, but if someone hasn't said it already, watch Sorastros painting videos on YouTube. (Imperial assault, he's only got one for Legion.)
painting is what you make of it. And let's face it, you can do a better job than pre painted stuff
Some of the prepainted stuff that I have got is much better than I can do, and even though I hate to paint it is not because I can not do it, I just get no enjoyment out of it, and it does raise my frustration level. And as I said above I do not know what prepainted games you play, but the ones that I have in the past were not that bad, no were near as bad as it sounds like you think every single prepainted unit ever is.
LYeah can't fly with you there. X-wing and Armada are the only exception to prepaints. I have yet to see a worthwhile set. Let's face it WOTC sucked hard. Axis and Allies sucked. But hey. If you dig I am cool with you.