I bet FFG is laughing right now with all the points ready to go. Maybe they meant January 28, 2020.

8 minutes ago, Brunas said:

"How bad is it" is an interesting question. It APPEARS that any list with jam (as long as people are following the rules on how jam is supposed to work...) absolutely dumpster it, as well as high ship count lists in general.

That being said, factions with easy access to jam in hyperspace is basically just Empire and Scum. Is that enough to distort a meta so people are scared to bring trip upsilons?

What are the rules on how jam is supposed to work? I thought that it was you jam a ship and remove a green or lock token.

4 minutes ago, Scott Pilgrim2 said:

What are the rules on how jam is supposed to work? I thought that it was you jam a ship and remove a green or lock token.

I think he means jammer chooses the token to remove

11 minutes ago, Scott Pilgrim2 said:

What are the rules on how jam is supposed to work? I thought that it was you jam a ship and remove a green or lock token.

Jammer gets to pick Green (focus, evade, reinforce) or break the TL.
The jam'ee then chooses one token of that type to remove.

21 minutes ago, RStan said:

I mean in hyperspace, which is where the Uuups are more effective, do you think 2 dice swarms can exist? Whether it's TIE swarms, TIE FOs, or the eventual Vultures of the Separatists. That much health with reinforce and basically immune to 2 dice damage in the first turn snowballs that game early. Yeah the number of ships helps push the damage and the Uuups don't have a specific target to focus on, but it's the time available in the rest of the game to actually get half or kill a whole Upsilon that I believe is the issue.

It's hard to quantify separatists, but a TIE swarm actually comes out ahead on the joust against UUU. Even if they get a range one shot and a range two shot into howlrunner, she's still only taking 1.8. 76% to survive, at that.

http://xwing.gateofstorms.net/2/multi/?d=gwAAQAAAAAAA&a1=UwgAAAAAAAAA&a2=QwgAAAAAAAAA

Upsilon is taking about 6 in return, much more if at range 1, and much much more if crack shot is involved.

Just now, viedit said:

Jammer gets to pick Green (focus, evade, reinforce) or break the TL.
The jam'ee then chooses one token of that type to remove.

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green token or lock is the set of things the jammer is allowed to remove. The jammer chooses which token they'd like to remove. I have no idea how people screwed it up initially, but people are just parroting it wrong at this point.

TL;dr you can roll up to a focus evade evade reinforce lock upsilon, jam it, and tell it to remove the reinforce token.

3 minutes ago, viedit said:

Jammer gets to pick Green (focus, evade, reinforce) or break the TL.
The jam'ee then chooses one token of that type to remove.

I think Chris meant the opposite on that second part, wwhich was how the judge illuminati has declared it and it was ruled at Phoenix.

1 minute ago, Brunas said:

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green token or lock is the set of things the jammer is allowed to remove. The jammer chooses which token they'd like to remove. I have no idea how people screwed it up initially, but people are just parroting it wrong at this point.

TL;dr you can roll up to a focus evade evade reinforce lock upsilon, jam it, and tell it to remove the reinforce token.

That's what I thought, though I was joking with a friend who was going to PHX that I bet people will try to rules lawyer it the other way.

2 minutes ago, Clutterbuck said:

I think Chris meant the opposite on that second part, wwhich was how the judge illuminati has declared it and it was ruled at Phoenix.

In which case it needs to be in print since the current wording of the action can lean either way.

11 minutes ago, Hiemfire said:

In which case it needs to be in print since the current wording of the action can lean either way.

Before Phoenix Cascade released a list of rulings' this one was on it.

1 minute ago, Clutterbuck said:

Before Phoenix Cascade released a list of rulings' this one was on it.

Ah yeah missed that. I just saw the dumpster fire that was ancillary to it. Every TO I've had prior ruled it the other way. Jammer got to pick the color, Jammee picked the specific one.

1 minute ago, viedit said:

Ah yeah missed that. I just saw the dumpster fire that was ancillary to it. Every TO I've had prior ruled it the other way. Jammer got to pick the color, Jammee picked the specific one.

I read that as jamREEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Actually 12 years old.

1 hour ago, Brunas said:

"How bad is it" is an interesting question. It APPEARS that any list with jam (as long as people are following the rules on how jam is supposed to work...) absolutely dumpster it, as well as high ship count lists in general.

That being said, factions with easy access to jam in hyperspace is basically just Empire and Scum. Is that enough to distort a meta so people are scared to bring trip upsilons?

I’m curious how you figure jam helps on this. Because what o faced against it had two ships with jam, a Lambda and Reaper, but it was a non factor (the Lambda needed to either reinforce or intentional jam, and the Reaper had one crack at it to jam while flanking, but with 4 green tokens it was a pointless exercise)

Just now, millertime059 said:

I’m curious how you figure jam helps on this. Because what o faced against it had two ships with jam, a Lambda and Reaper, but it was a non factor (the Lambda needed to either reinforce or intentional jam, and the Reaper had one crack at it to jam while flanking, but with 4 green tokens it was a pointless exercise)

Was that because of the alternate ruling that the jamee picks the tokens, and refused to pick reinforce;

or because even without reinforce, it had too many green tokens to matter?

2 hours ago, Brunas said:

They should be deployed at banks to have the ability to go further.

Why is that legal?

It is, RR p.17

4 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

Why is that legal?

30 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:

Was that because of the alternate ruling that the jamee picks the tokens, and refused to pick reinforce;

or because even without reinforce, it had too many green tokens to matter?

Well because 1) they did not have the reinforce yet (he gave me initiative, and so my Reaper was I3, as was Tavson)

and 2) he had two evade tokens and a focus. If I jam, guess which one goes?

So I was better taking a focus to try and push more damage on my attack.

Inwound up rolling hit hit blank and it not mattering.

his two Upsilon attacks both rolled 4 natural hits anyhow so he didn’t spend either focus or TL.

14 minutes ago, RStan said:

No, but seriously. I know it was in 1.0, I assumed it still is in 2.0.

But now "within" is clearly defined, and place forces requires to place within range 1. The entire ship has to be in range 1. I don't know why it was different in 1.0, but apparently it isn't in 2.0

It's legal, RR page 17

On the topic of jamming: who should pick which green token is removed? I'm asking because translating in Italian, that sentence could be interpreted either way. Is it clearer for you native speakers?

3 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

No, but seriously. I know it was in 1.0, I assumed it still is in 2.0.

But now "within" is clearly defined, and place forces requires to place within range 1. The entire ship has to be in range 1. I don't know why it was different in 1.0, but apparently it isn't in 2.0

The shuttles are placed at range 0-2of dormitz at an angle. Dormitz is not at an angle.

2 minutes ago, Sunitsa said:

On the topic of jamming: who should pick which green token is removed? I'm asking because translating in Italian, that sentence could be interpreted either way. Is it clearer for you native speakers?

Apparently how you read it doesn't matter. The official ruling is that the person jamming selects the token.

To be fair though, in English it totally implied the opposite.

4 minutes ago, Do I need a Username said:

The shuttles are placed at range 0-2of dormitz at an angle. Dormitz is not at an angle.

So that is not legal anymore?

Gennataos is the man:

Page 17 of the current RR,

• During setup, a large ship’s base may extend outside of range 1 as long as it fills the length of that area. A large ship cannot be placed with any portion of its base outside the play area.

3 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

So that is not legal anymore?

No, it is legal. Brunas was referring to the placement of the shuttles at angles to go further.

1 hour ago, Brunas said:

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MAMMA MIA, MAMMA MIA

MAMMA MIA LET THE POINTS GO

2 hours ago, viedit said:

Jammer gets to pick Green (focus, evade, reinforce) or break the TL.
The jam'ee then chooses one token of that type to remove.

That has been a ruling that some people have made based on ambiguous wording. I sure don't see "jammed player chooses" anywhere in the rules reference.

2 hours ago, Brunas said:

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green token or lock is the set of things the jammer is allowed to remove. The jammer chooses which token they'd like to remove. I have no idea how people screwed it up initially, but people are just parroting it wrong at this point.

TL;dr you can roll up to a focus evade evade reinforce lock upsilon, jam it, and tell it to remove the reinforce token.

Chain of evidence:

Dee ruled "Pick a category; jammee choses specific token" at Mynock Open, which preceded all official events except Coruscant so a lot of people used the rulings document for their own events

Iain ruled "Jammer picks the token from this set of possibilities" at Phoenix. I was not at Philadelphia, so I don't know what he ruled there.

Choose your fighter.