3 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:sorry for the triple post, but I need some croudsourcing to make sure I don't miss anything:
Which upgrades permanently change attack, hull or shields?
Punishing One, Moldy Crow: Attack +1
Shield upgrade, Virago: Shield +1
Hull upgrade: Hull +1
what else?
Delta 7b: Attack +1 Defense -1 Shields +2
Potentially S-Foils on a T-65 if somebody closes them and forgets to flip them over every turn... Not that it's ever happened to me...
1 minute ago, LagJanson said:Potentially S-Foils on a T-65 if somebody closes them and forgets to flip them over every turn... Not that it's ever happened to me...
It's one of those things that people are still not used to. I've had it several times that someone forgot to flip is foils...
But I meant permanent changes only. I'm not even including stealth device. The reason is to potentially allow me to read out total red dice/hp for a list at large scales and not miss these details.
42 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:But I meant permanent changes only. I'm not even including stealth device. The reason is to potentially allow me to read out total red dice/hp for a list at large scales and not miss these details.
Yeah, I figured. I don't think there's all that much, yet. You might have everything covered, with the above mentioned spoiler for the Delta-7B config.
I will only include extended tournaments with 30+ players and full lists, starting from first of November. That means no Nordics, no Spanish, no GoldSqd, no Coruscant, no Belgic, no JAWA, no French and no Polish and leaves me with 725 lists (and a base conversion of 14.89% instead of the 13.5%), and 2570 ships built.
I'm slowly adjusting everything.
22 hours ago, Wiredin said:I see the light now.. .wow thats impressive.
Tallissan Lintra (35)
Trick Shot (1)
Crack Shot (1)
Proton Rockets (7)Poe Dameron (68)
R4 Astromech (2)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Black One (2)
Hardpoint: Torpedo (0)
Proton Torpedoes (9)Nien Numb (55)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Pattern Analyzer (5)
Hardpoint: Torpedo (0)
Proton Torpedoes (9)Total: 194
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bid not deep enough for an alpha list is my only concern.
I meant to reply yesterday - drop torps off of Nien. I wish Adv Torps were in Hyperspace, it would be disgusting on Nien. In what I want to try, I put predator on Talli instead of trick to maximize that rocket shot.
5 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:I will only include extended tournaments with 30+ players and full lists, starting from first of November. That means no Nordics, no Spanish, no GoldSqd, no Coruscant, no Belgic, no JAWA, no French and no Polish and leaves me with 725 lists (and a base conversion of 14.89% instead of the 13.5%), and 2570 ships built.
I'm slowly adjusting everything.
FYI, the Missouriclorian is a bit weird in that it was a 3-team tournament, so team members could not be paired against each other. That resulted in the KC and StL teams kind of feasting on the more casual Columbia/Mexico-MO team. I'd argue it didn't fiddle with the standings too much if it was just a regular event, just wanted to let you know.
Plus, I wanted to make sure @Biophysical's outlier list of 4 Crack Sabers + Crack Gideon going 4-0 is included, marveled at and summarily dismissed. (Seriously, there's a pure maneuvering/positioning game in there and there aren't a lot of folks unlocking it...so credit needs to be given when someone does)
23 minutes ago, Scott Pilgrim2 said:I meant to reply yesterday - drop torps off of Nien. I wish Adv Torps were in Hyperspace, it would be disgusting on Nien. In what I want to try, I put predator on Talli instead of trick to maximize that rocket shot.
Predator is primary only.
1 minute ago, jagsba said:Predator is primary only.
Doh! Then drop torps and get that 15 point bid.
11 minutes ago, Scott Pilgrim2 said:Doh! Then drop torps and get that 15 point bid.
@Rytackle really does need to read the cards to us. Apparently if he doesn't, no one read them.
Torps on nunb make the k turn focus lock on someone dank though. Hard for them to dodge ordnance from that position.
2 minutes ago, jagsba said:@Rytackle really does need to read the cards to us. Apparently if he doesn't, no one read them.
Torps on nunb make the k turn focus lock on someone dank though. Hard for them to dodge ordnance from that position.
Here are what I think are the pros/cons of it:
Pro: Focus/Lock with no stress. Dank.
Con: Unless they are moving after you, they will be in range one when you pull it off. With the bid, you are only moving before i6. Range 1 focus/lock is nearly as dank for 9 points less.
Pro: 4K Lock is dank by itself with torps.
Con: I think I just used dank waaaay too many times.
It really depends on how the hyperspace meta shakes out - if you really need the bid then drop torps, but they aren't a bad thing to include.
37 minutes ago, Scott Pilgrim2 said:Here are what I think are the pros/cons of it:
Pro: Focus/Lock with no stress. Dank.
Con: Unless they are moving after you, they will be in range one when you pull it off. With the bid, you are only moving before i6. Range 1 focus/lock is nearly as dank for 9 points less.
Pro: 4K Lock is dank by itself with torps.
Con: I think I just used dank waaaay too many times.
It really depends on how the hyperspace meta shakes out - if you really need the bid then drop torps, but they aren't a bad thing to include.
If they move before you then you're on their tail with a torp the turn after. I'm okay with this.
Can you guys confirm this? 80% of rebel lists in the cut used at least 1 T65? 69% imperial lists in the cut used at least 1 phantom? And 58.8% for Scum and HWKs?
edit: of course your numbers would be different as I'm using a different set of tournaments. But your sheet has 21 lists and 18 T65s. Maybe it's similar-ish?
Edited by GreenDragoon@Scott Pilgrim2 I was looking at the list a little closer last night and did this:
Tallissan Lintra (35)
Crack Shot (1)
Elusive (3)
Proton Rockets (7)
Pattern Analyzer (5)
Nien Nunb (55)
Composure (2)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Pattern Analyzer (5)
Poe Dameron (68)
R4 Astromech (2)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Black One (2)
Hardpoint: Torpedo (0)
Proton Torpedoes (9)
Total: 194
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without a bid torps probably won't launch so taking them off Nein is fine. Tallie uses focus to launch so still aok. Poe is Poe.
But now I got a few more tricks. Talli really always want to be facing the enemy so I figure Elusive is worth the points. Gives her an action to stay alive on sloops/k turn, and reloads elusive. And then composure Nein to force the R1 with a boost and get focus if it fails. may drop B1 for more bid...
Edited by Wiredin12 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:Can you guys confirm this? 80% of rebel lists in the cut used at least 1 T65? 69% imperial lists in the cut used at least 1 phantom? And 58.8% for Scum and HWKs?
edit: of course your numbers would be different as I'm using a different set of tournaments. But your sheet has 21 lists and 18 T65s. Maybe it's similar-ish?
I'll have to check when I get home, but sure. That sounds roughly about right.
Also, should have time to fix the exporter this weekend, someone yell at me to do it AFTER 6 PM OR SO EASTERN TODAY PLS
6 minutes ago, Brunas said:I'll have to check when I get home, but sure. That sounds roughly about right.
its floating around where my numbers are as well.
6 minutes ago, Brunas said:Also, should have time to fix the exporter this weekend, someone yell at me to do it AFTER 6 PM OR SO EASTERN TODAY PLS
can you give that to me in Texas Time (TM)?
The manual checks I did confirmed it enough to put it out. Here's a graph of the 25 most frequent ships, grouped by faction. The x-axis shows how many lists had at least one of the ship. The label on the bar gives that in percentage of all lists of that faction.
39 minutes ago, Brunas said:someone yell at me
DO IT AFTER 6 PM OR SO EASTERN TODAY PLS
2 minutes ago, Makaze said:DO IT AFTER 6 PM OR SO EASTERN TODAY PLS
23 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:The manual checks I did confirmed it enough to put it out. Here's a graph of the 25 most frequent ships, grouped by faction. The x-axis shows how many lists had at least one of the ship. The label on the bar gives that in percentage of all lists of that faction.
*PRETTY PICTURES*
While the T-65 is popular, I think that the 10% increase in cut for the phantom and hawk is the bigger takeaway. When 75% of the Rebel lists have X-Wings and 80% of the cut has X-Wings, that just tells me that Rebels really like playing X-Wings.
3 minutes ago, Scott Pilgrim2 said:While the T-65 is popular, I think that the 10% increase in cut for the phantom and hawk is the bigger takeaway. When 75% of the Rebel lists have X-Wings and 80% of the cut has X-Wings, that just tells me that Rebels really like playing X-Wings.
There are several of those jumps. Of course Phantom and Punisher are just confirming what we already knew. The G1A is also already visible.
If anyone is wondering why most numbers go up: you only see a selection of the most popular ships, and the less popular (and apparently by pure coincidence of course weaker - Redline was always my favorite) ships drop down. E.g. 4 rebel or 3 imperial ships vanish entirely. Or look at the x1 (=Vader) and Defenders...
1 minute ago, GreenDragoon said:There are several of those jumps. Of course Phantom and Punisher are just confirming what we already knew. The G1A is also already visible.
If anyone is wondering why most numbers go up: you only see a selection of the most popular ships, and the less popular (and apparently by pure coincidence of course weaker - Redline was always my favorite) ships drop down. E.g. 4 rebel or 3 imperial ships vanish entirely. Or look at the x1 (=Vader) and Defenders...
Maarek is in there too! Gone, and probably also forgotten post cut though.
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3 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:There are several of those jumps. Of course Phantom and Punisher are just confirming what we already knew. The G1A is also already visible.
If anyone is wondering why most numbers go up: you only see a selection of the most popular ships, and the less popular (and apparently by pure coincidence of course weaker - Redline was always my favorite) ships drop down. E.g. 4 rebel or 3 imperial ships vanish entirely. Or look at the x1 (=Vader) and Defenders...
Agreed. One takeaway that I am inferring from this data is that Wedge/Jan is good - since I seem to recall that Wedge started to convert at a decent rate and I have to imagine that he is being flown with Jan. I can't access the data right now to actually see the pilot breakdown.
1 hour ago, jagsba said:can you give that to me in Texas Time (TM)?
Team Texas on top
I'm not sure I'm right... I just saw that the win/loss is messed up due to an unnamed tournament on the 3rd of November. I should not have included that because of the Mynock where the wins are also added for cut games. All other win/loss data is just limited to swiss. Mixing with the Mynock messed up things.
37 minutes ago, Scott Pilgrim2 said:Agreed. One takeaway that I am inferring from this data is that Wedge/Jan is good - since I seem to recall that Wedge started to convert at a decent rate and I have to imagine that he is being flown with Jan. I can't access the data right now to actually see the pilot breakdown.
I'm not sure that's right.
The breakdown for Wedge (109 lists) and Jan (28 lists), individually:
Wedge wins on average 2.78 games (mode: 3; median: 3). Just two guys got 6 wins, and 3 guys got 5 wins. 46 played him without protons, 60 with, and 3 were wrong. The 60 with have a slightly better win average, at 2.83.
Jan wins on average 2.57 games (mode: 2; median: 2.5). 24 played her with the title, 4 without. Those with have a better amount of wins (2.75) but still rather bad.
Combined, 15 lists:
The average wins increase for both, to 2.87 (mode: 4*; median: 3). One of the two guys with 6 wins had the combination of the two. Interestingly, only 2 proton torps, and those only with 1.5 wins.
* i don't know how 4 was selected... it's the same for 2, 3 and 4 wins.