1 hour ago, RStan said:

The not so Chad Silencer has been revealed.

For all players using the new Silencer model-

For those using the old Silencer model-

19 hours ago, Brunas said:

Also there were 12 dashes at unplugged. All of them were dash roark. 33% of rebel lists were dash roark. Field of 165.

I WAS ALWAYS TEAM CANCER

And they had the same conversion rate of Wedge!

Dash confirmed as being not good enough then.

Jokes aside, trends I've noticed gathering stats of PAX and French Nats are that Boba converion rates are tanking badly (he fell behind both Deathrain and Whisper), Whisper has become the most played pilot, surpassing Wedge, but nonetheless Redline is being played more than Whisper in recent events. Deathrain has the highest conversion rate by far thought, but he's also far less played than the big names

I think I’m seeing a trend where conversion rate isn’t super useful on its own. A high rate can mean something is really good, or it can mean one or two good players bring it and no one else caught on yet.

It kinda ebbs and flows, something does well, people that pay close attention pick it up, everyone else picks it up, counter play strategies are developed and disseminated. The “S” stuff sticks around and the “A” stuff fades back out.

Maybe it is the big picture version of the listener series’ finder bonus?

33 minutes ago, AEIllingworth said:

It kinda ebbs and flows, something does well, people that pay close attention pick it up, everyone else picks it up, counter play strategies are developed and disseminated. The “S” stuff sticks around and the “A” stuff fades back out.

Maybe it is the big picture version of the listener series’ finder bonus?

it's like the meta churns, or something

7 minutes ago, svelok said:

it's like the meta churns, or something

Yup.

And conversion rate doesn’t give any clues to where on that cycle it is, if we don’t also get overall rate.

24 minutes ago, svelok said:

it's like the meta churns, or something

That can’t be true, I’ve been informed by reliable sources that we’re in a solved meta.

It's really hard for the best lists to perform at higher than above average rates, as people who don't understand them pick them up and bomb.

It's like proton torpedos imo - we all know they're (probably dramatically) undercosted. The conversion rate isn't a huge outlier though because about half of lists are bringing it, and it's hard for 50% of the field to do better than average because it's 50% of the field!

I'd love to see the comparison of ships with PT and ships with PT that can reliably get access to double mods (and actually acquire locks).

1 hour ago, AEIllingworth said:

I think I’m seeing a trend where conversion rate isn’t super useful on its own. A high rate can mean something is really good, or it can mean one or two good players bring it and no one else caught on yet.

It kinda ebbs and flows, something does well, people that pay close attention pick it up, everyone else picks it up, counter play strategies are developed and disseminated. The “S” stuff sticks around and the “A” stuff fades back out.

Maybe it is the big picture version of the listener series’ finder bonus?

I don't think anyone currently gathering and discussion stats in this thread consider them more than a silly game.

I can't obviously speak for everyone, but it's not like I'm building lists based on those numbers, it's mostly just a collection of silly numbers.

I'm much more interested into see what make a cut: it usually means that given the right combination of luck and skill, it could get there again

26 minutes ago, Brunas said:

It's really hard for the best lists to perform at higher than above average rates, as people who don't understand them pick them up and bomb.

It's like proton torpedos imo - we all know they're (probably dramatically) undercosted. The conversion rate isn't a huge outlier though because about half of lists are bringing it, and it's hard for 50% of the field to do better than average because it's 50% of the field!

Yeah also this.

We aren't even near the amount of numbers we would need to make personal choices less impacting on those data

40 minutes ago, Brunas said:

It's like proton torpedos imo - we all know they're (probably dramatically) undercosted. The conversion rate isn't a huge outlier though because about half of lists are bringing it, and it's hard for 50% of the field to do better than average because it's 50% of the field!

#2019IonTorpedoMeta

2 hours ago, svelok said:

it's like the meta churns, or something

2 hours ago, AEIllingworth said:

Yup.

And conversion rate doesn’t give any clues to where on that cycle it is, if we don’t also get overall rate.

It's like all of this is a trend analysis.

1 hour ago, Brunas said:

It's really hard for the best lists to perform at higher than above average rates, as people who don't understand them pick them up and bomb.

It's like proton torpedos imo - we all know they're (probably dramatically) undercosted. The conversion rate isn't a huge outlier though because about half of lists are bringing it, and it's hard for 50% of the field to do better than average because it's 50% of the field!

"Now, we have tried to figure out a system of selection, with all kinds of tests, so that we get the best of the best. And so you guys have been very carefully picked out from all these schools to come here. But we' re still working on it, because we've found a very serious problem: no matter how carefully we select the men, no matter how patiently we make the analysis, when they get here something happens: it always turns out that approxi­mately half of them are below average!"

-Richard Feynman

59 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:

It's like all of this is a trend analysis.

Is that the plural of ‘data’, or ‘anecdote’?

Hyperspace Initiative Wars:

I6/5 Hyperspace pilots, ordered vaguely from most to least wanting a bid - based upon access to repositioning, reliance on locks, or whatever other arbitrary and probably incorrect thoughts I had.

Following some pilots are the Double Mods Award (M), for pilots with built-in, same-turn mod stacking; like Poe-The-Limit, Boba's rerolls, or Vader's lock+FCS+force; and/or the Double Reposition Award (R), for pilots who can regularly boost and barrel roll in the same activation, like Supernatural Reflexes + normal action or Kylothrusters; not counting crew or coordinating or Vader stop-hitting-yourself boosting or whatever else.

Initiative Chad:

Null (First Order)

Initiative 6:

Vader (Empire, R)
Poe (Resistance, MR)
Fenn Rau (Scum)
Quickdraw (First Order)
Midnight (First Order)
Han Solo (Rebel, M)
Han Solo (Resistance)
I'm Han Solo (Scum)
Wedge (Rebel)

Initiative 5:Kylo (First Order, MR)
Luke (Rebel, MR)
Blackout (First Order, R)
Tallissan Lintra (Resistance, R)
L'ulo L'ampar (Resistance, R)
Duchess (Empire, R)
Old Teroch (Scum)
Maarek Steele (Empire)
Lando (Rebel, M)
Rey (Resistance, M)
Boba (Scum, M)
Nien Numb (Resistance)
Ello Asty (Resistance)
Thane Kyrell (Rebel)
Norra Wexley (Rebel)
Commander Malarus (First Order, M)
Howlrunner (Empire, M)
Scourge Skutu (Empire)
Mauler Mithel (Empire)
Total: excluding Null, every faction gets 2 I6 pilots, except the Empire who gets only Vader. At I5, it's 5 Res, 5 Emp, 4 Reb, 3 FO, 2 Scum.

8 minutes ago, svelok said:

Hyperspace Initiative Wars:

I6/5 Hyperspace pilots, ordered vaguely from most to least wanting a bid - based upon access to repositioning, reliance on locks, or whatever other arbitrary and probably incorrect thoughts I had.

Following some pilots are the Double Mods Award (M), for pilots with built-in, same-turn mod stacking; like Poe-The-Limit, Boba's rerolls, or Vader's lock+FCS+force; and/or the Double Reposition Award (R), for pilots who can regularly boost and barrel roll in the same activation, like Supernatural Reflexes + normal action or Kylothrusters; not counting crew or coordinating or Vader stop-hitting-yourself boosting or whatever else.

Initiative Chad:

Null (First Order)

Initiative 6:

Vader (Empire, MR)
Poe (Resistance, MR)
Fenn Rau (Scum)
Quickdraw (First Order)
Midnight (First Order)
Han Solo (Rebel, M)
Han Solo (Resistance)
I'm Han Solo (Scum)
Wedge (Rebel)

Initiative 5:

Kylo (First Order, MR)
Luke (Rebel, MR)
Blackout (First Order, R)
Tallissan Lintra (Resistance, R)
L'ulo L'ampar (Resistance, R)
Duchess (Empire, M)
Old Teroch (Scum)
Maarek Steele (Empire)
Lando (Rebel, M)
Rey (Resistance, M)
Boba (Scum, M)
Nien Numb (Resistance)
Ello Asty (Resistance)
Thane Kyrell (Rebel)
Commander Malarus (First Order, M)
Howlrunner (Empire, M)
Scourge Skutu (Empire)
Mauler Mithel (Empire)
Norra Wexley (Rebel)

Total: excluding Null, every faction gets 2 I6 pilots, except the Empire who gets only Vader. At I5, it's 5 Res, 5 Emp, 4 Reb, 3 FO, 2 Scum.

Soontir? Is he forgotten already?!

Edit: going for caffeine, now.

Just now, Jyico said:

Soontir? Is he forgotten already?!

Soontir isn't in hyperspace.

1 minute ago, Jyico said:

Soontir? Is he forgotten already?!

Hyperspace...

Just now, svelok said:

Soontir isn't in hyperspace.

This is what happens when my caffeine system hasn't been properly regulated. Sorry, carry on!

@svelok, are you considering ordnance? Norra without torps doesn't care about the bid, but Norra with torps cares a lot.

57 minutes ago, svelok said:

Hyperspace Initiative Wars:

I6/5 Hyperspace pilots, ordered vaguely from most to least wanting a bid - based upon access to repositioning, reliance on locks, or whatever other arbitrary and probably incorrect thoughts I had.

Following some pilots are the Double Mods Award (M), for pilots with built-in, same-turn mod stacking; like Poe-The-Limit, Boba's rerolls, or Vader's lock+FCS+force; and/or the Double Reposition Award (R), for pilots who can regularly boost and barrel roll in the same activation, like Supernatural Reflexes + normal action or Kylothrusters; not counting crew or coordinating or Vader stop-hitting-yourself boosting or whatever else.

Initiative Chad:

Null (First Order)

Initiative 6:

Vader (Empire, MR)
Poe (Resistance, MR)
Fenn Rau (Scum)
Quickdraw (First Order)
Midnight (First Order)
Han Solo (Rebel, M)
Han Solo (Resistance)
I'm Han Solo (Scum)
Wedge (Rebel)

Initiative 5:

Kylo (First Order, MR)
Luke (Rebel, MR)
Blackout (First Order, R)
Tallissan Lintra (Resistance, R)
L'ulo L'ampar (Resistance, R)
Duchess (Empire, M)
Old Teroch (Scum)
Maarek Steele (Empire)
Lando (Rebel, M)
Rey (Resistance, M)
Boba (Scum, M)
Nien Numb (Resistance)
Ello Asty (Resistance)
Thane Kyrell (Rebel)
Commander Malarus (First Order, M)
Howlrunner (Empire, M)
Scourge Skutu (Empire)
Mauler Mithel (Empire)
Norra Wexley (Rebel)

Total: excluding Null, every faction gets 2 I6 pilots, except the Empire who gets only Vader. At I5, it's 5 Res, 5 Emp, 4 Reb, 3 FO, 2 Scum.

Duchess is R, not M.

2 minutes ago, Kaptin Krunch said:

Duchess is R, not M.

I also see now that I changed my mind on how to count Vader halfway through but didn't fix it

51 minutes ago, jagsba said:

@svelok, are you considering ordnance? Norra without torps doesn't care about the bid, but Norra with torps cares a lot.

I figured you wouldn't put torpedoes on a pilot that wants to be at R1, but yeah, that would bump her up to probably around Thane

If you're going to categorize, double reposition is dramatically differently valuable than things like supernatural reflexes/AS

17 minutes ago, svelok said:

I also see now that I changed my mind on how to count Vader halfway through but didn't fix it

I figured you wouldn't put torpedoes on a pilot that wants to be at R1, but yeah, that would bump her up to probably around Thane

Y wing norra is very often seen with proton torps, and has made cuts with it. It's a thing.

5 hours ago, Brunas said:

It's really hard for the best lists to perform at higher than above average rates, as people who don't understand them pick them up and bomb.

It's like proton torpedos imo - we all know they're (probably dramatically) undercosted. The conversion rate isn't a huge outlier though because about half of lists are bringing it, and it's hard for 50% of the field to do better than average because it's 50% of the field!

TBF, pro torps have much more value on a 2 red die ship than a 3+ one. Not saying that the cost should be variable, as that would be unnecessarily convoluted, but that on certain ships, it is not as undercosted as others.

4 hours ago, Brunas said:

If you're going to categorize, double reposition is dramatically differently valuable than things like supernatural reflexes/AS

Yeah, it was meant as a "look more closely here" flag, not a practical classification

"thingy that moves weird" would've been the most accurate name