2 hours ago, PorgLeader said:

So how did the data on Wedge go from bad to good? Was it just the results of this past weekend?

Wedge was always fine. It was never that he was bad, just that he was being played at a rate disproportional to how well he was doing.

32 minutes ago, jagsba said:

Wedge was always fine. It was never that he was bad, just that he was being played at a rate disproportional to how well he was doing.

I wasn't trying to imply that Wedge was/is bad or was/is good, just wondering what caused the shift from "Probably don't bring Wedge" to "If you're playing Rebels, you should probably bring Wedge (but don't play Rebels)". So I didn't know if he just has the most number of cut appearances of any Rebel ship, or if his cut rate increased, or some other factor.

Faster ships, especially with extra variables, can throw people out of whack. Advanced sensors Guri is a headache to guess on her own, but a Supernatural Primed Thrusters Silencer is never not going to make one consider literally every location and orientation conceivable in order to run from it or attempt to pin it. Double reposition split however it wants, including at both ends of a talon roll or on a 1/3 hard is absolutely silly. It can act when stressed, clear it, and then act or double act. So long as it takes care not to overload stress, it can disregard Sloan, panicked pilot, debris, or even linking when stressed. Oh, and if it starts unstressed, even without primed thrusters it can double repo and third action, ending up unstressed. Did I mention that the system slot is open despite the shenanigans? Come on, FFG! For the sake of determining wingmen+support, POINTS AND SLOTS!

Australian National 2018

129 players

TOP 16

• Wedge Luke Jan Ap-5

• 4xSigma

• Whisper Redline Soontir

• Whisper Kagi Soontir

• Jendon Academy 3xGamma

• Boba Palob 4LOM

• Boba Palob 4LOM

• Whisper Duchess Wampa OmicronSloane

• Boba Guri

• Boba Unkar 4LOM

• Wedge Luke Ap-5

• Whisper Vermeil KagiSloane

• Whisper Sabacc Academy KagiSloane

• Boba Palob Unkar L337

• Dash Roark

• Wedge GarvenX Esege

4 Rebels, 7 Imperials, 5 Scum

Boba in all scum lists. He and whisper were the most played pilot of the cut with 5 appearences

3 Kagi. 1 Dash (who made top4). Only 1 imperial out of 7 didn't have a phantom

EDIT: Redline was particularly ineffective: out of 18 lists, only 1 reached the cut. Was it due the 8 lists with Kagi (3 of which made the cut)?

With the data of this tournament, Whisper passes Wedge as most played pilot of second edition

https://listfortress.com/tournaments/154

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DIT: Redline was particularly ineffective: out of 18 lists, only 1 reached the cut.

Or could it be that the hype has pushed Redline into the hands of bad players? I believe he was still in the winning list.

-M

1 minute ago, Malloc said:

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Or could it be that the hype has pushed Redline into the hands of bad players? I believe he was still in the winning list.

-M

It could also be that they cannibalize each other. Have the bid or die in the mirror.

9 hours ago, jagsba said:

Wedge was always fine. It was never that he was bad, just that he was being played at a rate disproportional to how well he was doing.

I'm actually a bit surprised that we aren't seeing Biggs more. Unless you really want an i5, I think I would take him over Thane.

12 hours ago, PorgLeader said:

So how did the data on Wedge go from bad to good? Was it just the results of this past weekend?

9 hours ago, PorgLeader said:

I wasn't trying to imply that Wedge was/is bad or was/is good, just wondering what caused the shift from "Probably don't bring Wedge" to "If you're playing Rebels, you should probably bring Wedge (but don't play Rebels)". So I didn't know if he just has the most number of cut appearances of any Rebel ship, or if his cut rate increased, or some other factor.

Meta shifted even more dramatically toward massive bids with i5 proton torps. It's much easier to deal with that with an i6, just because of how the target lock mechanic works.

It went from "absolutely don't do this" to "I guess it's not the worst thing". I just need more people to play Wedge for that sweet sweet house money.

1 minute ago, Brunas said:

Meta shifted even more dramatically toward massive bids with i5 proton torps. It's much easier to deal with that with an i6, just because of how the target lock mechanic works.

You weren't supposed to do their homework for them!

5 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:

You weren't supposed to do their homework for them!

HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO INTERPRET DATA! I NEED IT FED TO ME!

8 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:

You weren't supposed to do their homework for them!

So you guys are saying I should take Fenn with Protons... sounds good to me!

7 minutes ago, Kelvan said:

HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO INTERPRET DATA! I NEED IT FED TO ME!

If it's not spoon fed then people end up trying to take it as a suppository

3 minutes ago, jagsba said:

If it's not spoon fed then people end up trying to take it as a suppository

Heh, if you don't interpret data right. It will F*** you.

1 minute ago, Kelvan said:

Heh, if you don't interpret data right. It will F*** you.

Shut up, Wesley!

Just now, player3010587 said:

Shut up, Wesley!

DOES THIS LOOK LIKE ATTACK WING TO YOU!?

1 minute ago, Scott Pilgrim2 said:

DOES THIS LOOK LIKE ATTACK WING TO YOU!?

StAr WaRs Is JuSt A rIpOfF oF sTaR tReK, mAiNsTrEaM sCi-Fi "FaNs!"

30 minutes ago, Brunas said:

Meta shifted even more dramatically toward massive bids with i5 proton torps. It's much easier to deal with that with an i6, just because of how the target lock mechanic works.

Weren't we in a ps 5 meta since basically conversion set were unpacked thought? It's nothing new

1 hour ago, Malloc said:

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Or could it be that the hype has pushed Redline into the hands of bad players? I believe he was still in the winning list.

-M

Maybe, but the same wasn't true for Whisper thought. 24 were played and 5 made the cut.

45 minutes ago, Scott Pilgrim2 said:

I'm actually a bit surprised that we aren't seeing Biggs more. Unless you really want an i5, I think I would take him over Thane.

Thane is the pilot that should deserve the whole "wedge is bad" treatment because, unlike Wedge, he's actually bad.

He was played 57 times and made the cut just twice...

1 hour ago, Scott Pilgrim2 said:

It could also be that they cannibalize each other. Have the bid or die in the mirror.

Maybe, I don't have the proper matchup to confirm or deny anything. But I think if they faced many mirrors, there would have been more in the cut because one has to win in order to have another one losing.

I see a lot of Rebel lists with Thane that could be massively improved be making him either Jan or Biggs.

I see a lot of Thane being flown in block formation.

18 minutes ago, Sunitsa said:

Weren't we in a ps 5 meta since basically conversion set were unpacked thought? It's nothing new

Depends on where you live, I think. Parts of Europe were (and still are) heavy on some i4s as well. And by some I mostly mean Deathrain.

Everything has been consolidating to i5 over time though. As far as I know we didn't start so concentrated at i5, though I'd have to check early stuff like GSC.

14 minutes ago, Kaptin Krunch said:

I see a lot of Rebel lists with Thane that could be massively improved be making him either Jan or Biggs.

STOP TELLING THEM THE SECRET

YOU FOOL, YOU'LL DOOM US ALL

5 minutes ago, Brunas said:

STOP TELLING THEM THE SECRET

YOU FOOL, YOU'LL DOOM US ALL

Nobody reads this thread, this will be buried on page 2.

4 minutes ago, Scott Pilgrim2 said:

Nobody reads this thread, this will be buried on page 2.

1 minute ago, Scott Pilgrim2 said:

Nobody reads this thread, this will be buried on page 2.

I do wonder how often the general forum populace wanders in here. PEOPLE WHO POST IN OTHER THREADS, CAN YOU HEAR ME?

2 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

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2 minutes ago, Brunas said:

I do wonder how often the general forum populace wanders in here. PEOPLE WHO POST IN OTHER THREADS, CAN YOU HEAR ME?

no

I've been thinking lately about whether giving players control over choosing player order via a bid is a good idea in the first place (and also creating benefits to bidding via the MOV rules). I realize that deep bids are often a symptom of other game balance problems (185 points of Imperials consistently beating 200 points of everything else is huge a red flag) but what about the direct effect of this rule? What if player order was always determined randomly at the start of the match? Or choice given to the player with lower MOV coming into the match? Or some other rule? What if unspent squad points didn't benefit you in determining MOV?