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Just now, gennataos said:

That's....not the point....?

yea, I know. it's just funny

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This seems like the starting point usually. Engine is great but is it really necessary?

Jan Ors — HWK-290 Light Freighter 42
Juke 4
Jyn Erso 2
Engine Upgrade 3
Moldy Crow 12
Ship Total: 63

Debri Gambit i guess. Starting point meaning....a bunch of cards you remove to the lowest possible pt cost good thing the ship can be.

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2 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

This seems like the starting point usually. Engine is great but is it really necessary?

Jan Ors — HWK-290 Light Freighter 42
Juke 4
Jyn Erso 2
Engine Upgrade 3
Moldy Crow 12
Ship Total: 63

In most cases the starting point of any good HWK is just Moldy Crow. I'm not convinced any other main pilots NEED anything besides that. We've seen Palob successful with just title and I believe Jan too. You'd likely get way more out of Kyle with Jyn Erso. Engine would be the first thing on Jan after Moldy Crow which is probably on the same level as putting Jyn Erso on Kyle.

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3 minutes ago, RStan said:

In most cases the starting point of any good HWK is just Moldy Crow. I'm not convinced any other main pilots NEED anything besides that. We've seen Palob successful with just title and I believe Jan too. You'd likely get way more out of Kyle with Jyn Erso. Engine would be the first thing on Jan after Moldy Crow which is probably on the same level as putting Jyn Erso on Kyle.

For Palob im always looking for a way to fit Lando.

Is there anything to the Jyn Juke combo you think?

Guess Jan should just be Target Locking if she can anyway.

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14 minutes ago, nexttwelveexits said:

Interceptors with shield upgrades!

Four I4 generics with shield upgrades and predator = 200 pts

But that's terrible. Mods are deliberately overcosted.

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7 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

For Palob im always looking for a way to fit Lando.

Is there anything to the Jyn Juke combo you think?

Guess Jan should just be Target Locking if she can anyway.

9 minutes ago, RStan said:

In most cases the starting point of any good HWK is just Moldy Crow. I'm not convinced any other main pilots NEED anything besides that. We've seen Palob successful with just title and I believe Jan too. You'd likely get way more out of Kyle with Jyn Erso. Engine would be the first thing on Jan after Moldy Crow which is probably on the same level as putting Jyn Erso on Kyle.

crow first for sure. if points allow jyn to keep her alive. but engine has saved me more times than I can count. the hawk is a stupid versatile chassis, I'd argue most improved chassis in the game.

Juke/Jyn combo is something I've been testing, but I'm not sold on it. End game 1v1 I'm trying to keep focus/evade on her at all times, but often only have a focus. I haven't run the math, so fact vs feeling right now I'm going with feelings.

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7 minutes ago, Kaptin Krunch said:

But that's terrible. Mods are deliberately overcosted.

It's also everything you asked for and more! You can't put a price on happiness

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25 minutes ago, gennataos said:

Vacuum comparison alert! (it's important to have no other list context!)

I mean, doesn't this Whisper die just as fast?

“Whisper” (52)
Juke (4)
Collision Detector (5)
Darth Vader (14)

Total: 75

Jan Ors (42)
Debris Gambit (2)
Kanan Jarrus (14)
Shield Upgrade (6)
Moldy Crow (12)

Total: 76

Why Debris Gambit over Jyn Erso?

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18 minutes ago, Brunas said:

No - vader stripping mods from an attacker does serios work:

3 dice shot into whisper: .195 damage http://xwing.gateofstorms.net/2/multi/?d=giAAAAAAAAA&a1=MQAAAAAAAAA

3 dice focus shot into whisper: .541 damage http://xwing.gateofstorms.net/2/multi/?d=giAAAAAAAAA&a1=MQgAAAAAAAA

17 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

Whisper definitely isnt also just 50% of a Palob.

Wait, what? No. Am I the only person who will just take that damage for a better shot?

3 minutes ago, ThinkingB said:

Why Debris Gambit over Jyn Erso?

It wasn't serious, it was just slapping together some nonsense which matched points with a popular Whisper build and kind of did the same thing.

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5 minutes ago, gennataos said:

Wait, what? No. Am I the only person who will just take that damage for a better shot?

11 minutes ago, ThinkingB said:

Its similar to 000. People rarely ever say yes to the stress.

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3 minutes ago, gennataos said:

Wait, what? No. Am I the only person who will just take that damage for a better shot?

Depends on what's shooting - a TIE fighter? Sure. Super Vader? No thanks.

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17 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

For Palob im always looking for a way to fit Lando.

Is there anything to the Jyn Juke combo you think?

Guess Jan should just be Target Locking if she can anyway.

Palob with Lando is pretty good, I've just ended up flying lists with Palob that don't leave room for Lando (Boba, Palob, 4LOM).

Jyn Juke seems interesting, but going with all that puts Jan in a higher points bracket that just doesn't fit well in a 4 ship Rebel list. Currently, I'm not sure if ANY Rebel 2-3 ship Rebel list can perform as well as either a 4 ship quality or 4 ship Biggs Selfless list. I don't think it's that bold to say there is no 3 ship Rebel list that can compete with any of the main 3 ship meta lists from Imperials or Scum. I can't think of any 3 ship Rebel list I would rather have over Whisper, Redline & choice of Soontir/Duchess/Vermeil/Lambda or choice of Boba/Guri/Fenn, choice of Old T/4LOM/Kavil, & Palob.

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1 minute ago, Boom Owl said:

Its similar to 000. People rarely ever say yes to the stress.

I'd argue people aren't thinking it through, then.

3 minutes ago, Brunas said:

Depends on what's shooting - a TIE fighter? Sure. Super Vader? No thanks.

What's Super Vader doing in arc of Whisper at range 2? ;)

I guess it depends on the shot and who's taking the shot. I've done it a ton, even with Fangs. I'll 100% put Fenn Rau in range 1 of Whisper and take that Vader damage for a 5-die Fearless shot on her. I'd probably do it with Super Vader, too.

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7 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

10 minutes ago, gennataos said:

Wait, what? No. Am I the only person who will just take that damage for a better shot?

I don't get that either: sure there are situation where taking a damage is impossible but more often than not taking a damage is overall safer than losing a token.

000 is a bit different, against him often is safer to give a calculate rather than not having the koio gran option the next turn.

Also jan Ors is far better than Kyle. Rebels have plenty of way of providing focus, many are more efficient than Kyle too.

With the right cards in the future kyle might have a great time abusing the not once per round jyn erso thought, but until then he's pretty bad

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11 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

Its similar to 000. People rarely ever say yes to the stress.

if 4LOM isn't around and I'm flying A-wings, sure I'll take the stress if I'm unstressed or in a position where I can take it with no consequences.

On the topic of vader... got into a debate with one of my locals last night. he says Vader is crap because he's too expensive, no evade, no boost, and dies too quickly. I say he just needs to git gud. Vader is awesome! Just don't get shot.

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Just now, gennataos said:

I'd argue people aren't thinking it through, then.

What's Super Vader doing in arc of Whisper at range 2? ;)

I guess it depends on the shot and who's taking the shot. I've done it a ton, even with Fangs. I'll 100% put Fenn Rau in range 1 of Whisper and take that Vader damage for a 5-die Fearless shot on her. I'd probably do it with Super Vader, too.

Was about to say the same thing about Fenn Rau. Super Vader is definitely a situational call, if you have a possible kill shot but are low/out of force i would take the damage. But if you've got force left i would just get rid of the focus.

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4 minutes ago, RStan said:

Palob with Lando is pretty good, I've just ended up flying lists with Palob that don't leave room for Lando (Boba, Palob, 4LOM).

Jyn Juke seems interesting, but going with all that puts Jan in a higher points bracket that just doesn't fit well in a 4 ship Rebel list. Currently, I'm not sure if ANY Rebel 2-3 ship Rebel list can perform as well as either a 4 ship quality or 4 ship Biggs Selfless list. I don't think it's that bold to say there is no 3 ship Rebel list that can compete with any of the main 3 ship meta lists from Imperials or Scum. I can't think of any 3 ship Rebel list I would rather have over Whisper, Redline & choice of Soontir/Duchess/Vermeil/Lambda or choice of Boba/Guri/Fenn, choice of Old T/4LOM/Kavil, & Palob.

So much this. Like, I like your list @Wiredin,...it seems as good as Rebels can get with 3 ships (torps isn't the 3-ship answer!). If I plunk down pretty much any of the Imperial/Scum stuff I've been playing, I'd have to screw the pooch to lose those matchups.

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Vader is amazing. Bring him and you will win games.

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Just now, Boom Owl said:

Vader is amazing.

He really is. You just have to make sure to do the 3-hard which might clip the rock, but guarantee that you'll receive no shots rather than SN barrel roll which might mean you won't clear 4-LOM and then bump and then die.

That seems oddly specific. Oh wait, I did that a couple nights ago....riiiiiiiiight.

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1 hour ago, Kaptin Krunch said:

FO Interceptor from new cartoon when?

I have wanted a thing with a 3/3/3/(1-2) statline with affordable (can run 4) generics since the dawn of time.

This could be my ship, it even comes prepainted red.

(Yes I know phantons kinda meet the above criteria, i'm in the market for another one now.)

Starvipers are close, 3/3/4/1, 46 point generics?

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4 minutes ago, svelok said:

Starvipers are close, 3/3/4/1, 46 point generics?

I guess, my problem with them is that they aren't in one of the two 'Good Guy' factions: Empire and FO.

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21 minutes ago, gennataos said:

So much this. Like, I like your list @Wiredin,...it seems as good as Rebels can get with 3 ships (torps isn't the 3-ship answer!). If I plunk down pretty much any of the Imperial/Scum stuff I've been playing, I'd have to screw the pooch to lose those matchups.

being a rebel player at heart I'm always trying to find ways to beat down the imperial regieme. It's an uphill battle....

in the winter...

with 4 feet of snow....

no shovel....

I have 2 5 ships rebel lists I quite enjoy as well...

2x Green Squad A-Wings with crack/Prockets

2x Red squad vet X-wings with crack

1x Tala Z95 with Crack

or

Jake w/Crack

Jan w/trick, jyn, crow

Sabine w/composure

AP5

Blount w/crack

Rebel just aren't in a great place, and you have to fly perfectly to even have a chance, even against sub-optimal scum/imp players.

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1 minute ago, Kaptin Krunch said:

I guess, my problem with them is that they aren't in one of the two 'Good Guy' factions: Empire and FO.

Mussolini was a good guy too, from a certain point of view.