11 minutes ago, catachanninja said:

One time the Eides invited me over to drink all the beer in their house before it went bad.

Sounds like my kind of mission....

4 minutes ago, Kaptin Krunch said:

This was my AESTHETIC 1.0 squad.

But the 1.0 squad is IRRELEVANT.

I want to know what 2.0 cards support that.

3 BSS with Crack and Captain Fair with Sloane and Creepio?

Tua might be fun on a Reaper. Odds are pretty good you'll take damage, especially if you use Vermeil, and then you can choose to take the red reinforce to control your slow roll by nixing the ailerons.

29 minutes ago, Sunitsa said:

Advanced sensor Nym has no sabine access (and no simulator), maybe fair was as bit too provocative, but he's far from being absolutely ridicoulous.

It's not that hard to play around it, as long as you are playing something decent, but if you aren't, then you can't really complain.

Unless of course you are just talking of weird things a ship can do, then I can agree that Nym can do lots of things other ships can only dream of, but that's not saying much. Daredevil Dauntless Oicunn can do ridicoulous stuff too for example.

I guess we didn't understand each other when talking about "fair" and "absolutely ridiculous" because I can't see a seasoned tournement player actually considering adv. sens. Nym such a strong pilot

Sabine ain't Nym thought.

A 10 hp 1 agility ship with no defensive tokens is a glass cannon. Its issue is that you need to commit to exploit that, and then you are left with Miranda alive. But again, that's not a Nym issue per se, but more of the broken things you can play with him (mostly miranda with sabine actually)

is 2.0 coming to save you from actually having to git gud or will the cycle of crying for broken things instead of learning to play the game just continue?

What's so scary about adv.sens. Nym? If he's rebel he has no simulator so far less battlefield control (and less chance to abuse genius), if he's Scum he has no sabine...

he doesn't need sabine. he moves with near perfect information and either kills you or prevents you from shooting him. He restarted the PS war. He can choose between bombing you, TLTing, you or harpooning you... all three are pretty good options offensively and there is a better than good chance he will get to choose more than one... and if he can't, well there is always the range 1 attack. He is incredibly versatile.

10/1 is also not a glass cannon. 4/4 is a glass cannon (Phantoms)

Just now, Wiredin said:

10/1 is also not a glass cannon. 4/4 is a glass cannon (Phantoms)

Well, that's why I was asking about length of time in competitive play. 10/1 is a glass cannon to dash and turrets, the only things that ever get to shoot AS Nym.

8 minutes ago, Wiredin said:

Sounds like my kind of mission....

The Eides called for aide and I was happy to oblige.

33 minutes ago, Sunitsa said:

Advanced sensor Nym has no sabine access (and no simulator), maybe fair was as bit too provocative, but he's far from being absolutely ridicoulous.

It's not that hard to play around it, as long as you are playing something decent, but if you aren't, then you can't really complain.

Unless of course you are just talking of weird things a ship can do, then I can agree that Nym can do lots of things other ships can only dream of, but that's not saying much. Daredevil Dauntless Oicunn can do ridicoulous stuff too for example.

I guess we didn't understand each other when talking about "fair" and "absolutely ridiculous" because I can't see a seasoned tournement player actually considering adv. sens. Nym such a strong pilot

Sabine ain't Nym thought.

A 10 hp 1 agility ship with no defensive tokens is a glass cannon. Its issue is that you need to commit to exploit that, and then you are left with Miranda alive. But again, that's not a Nym issue per se, but more of the broken things you can play with him (mostly miranda with sabine actually)

is 2.0 coming to save you from actually having to git gud or will the cycle of crying for broken things instead of learning to play the game just continue?

What's so scary about adv.sens. Nym? If he's rebel he has no simulator so far less battlefield control (and less chance to abuse genius), if he's Scum he has no sabine...

Nym has the same statline as a Lambda, and runs as much as a Lambda, but is better at running away than a Lambda. He's also high PS and drops a 240mm wide "No Go bubble" behind him each turn.

Saying Nym is a Glass Cannon is insane.

13 minutes ago, catachanninja said:

The Eides called for aide and I was happy to oblige.

we call that X-Wing Wednesday around here.

1 hour ago, Brunas said:

If you're playing against AS nym the prisoners dilemma was already lost, that's what the prisoners dilemma is!

Thankfully? Ghost/Fenn cleared out most of the nyms, but I have no reason to think they won't be back and in greater numbers.

Do we not think Ghost Fenn is sticking around in the meta?

I played a few test games against Ghost Fenn this week with soontir/vermeil/palp reaper and felt like I was favored but I wasn’t really ever comfortable.

9 minutes ago, abell19 said:

Do we not think Ghost Fenn is sticking around in the meta?

I played a few test games against Ghost Fenn this week with soontir/vermeil/palp reaper and felt like I was favored but I wasn’t really ever comfortable.

I think that it will be the floor of this meta. Not the best squad, but what you are playing has to be able to beat it.

41 minutes ago, Kaptin Krunch said:

This was my AESTHETIC 1.0 squad.

But the 1.0 squad is IRRELEVANT.

I want to know what 2.0 cards support that.

3 BSS with Crack and Captain Fair with Sloane and Creepio?

You need Vader for creepio, no?

5 minutes ago, Mattman7306 said:

You need Vader for creepio, no?

****.

Whatever, no one should notice...

Or 7th Sister?

Got home, here's the nym maps which I still have because reasons, I guess. Here's what Nym doing a 3 bank looks like (with and without a range 3 bubble around him for scale).

Trigger warning?

1 minute ago, Brunas said:

Trigger warning?

I see 3 spots in r2 for me, so what's the problem?

3 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

I see 3 spots in r2 for me, so what's the problem?

The best part is, I don't know if you're kidding anymore

WHAT'S HAPPENING

Just now, Brunas said:

The best part is, I don't know if you're kidding anymore

WHAT'S HAPPENING

Your map is also with boost when we all know that Nym should take multispectral camouflage to save the points

can't make it more obvious!

Just now, GreenDragoon said:

Your map is also with boost when we all know that Nym should take multispectral camouflage to save the points

can't make it more obvious!

♥

12 minutes ago, Brunas said:

Got home, here's the nym maps which I still have because reasons, I guess. Here's what Nym doing a 3 bank looks like (with and without a range 3 bubble around him for scale).

Trigger warning?

and this is why I had to stop flying snap shot a-wings during the Nym meta... FML

22 minutes ago, Brunas said:

I really don't mean to be disrespectful in asking this, but did you play competitive xwing when AS Nym was around? I only preface this with that, because this argument is the one I would make if I were trying to get a rise out of oldschool "ace" players. He singlehandedly destroyed firing arcs as a strategy in the game - we've been strictly turretwing ever since, because it's impossible to compete with him. I have the maps for him lying around somewhere, but until I get home I can't show proof that the area denial for AS nym is an order of magnitude larger than trajectory simulator. The reason traj sim sees play, is because it's the more competitively viable ship, as arced ships are effectively extinct.

Yes, if AS Nym is moving after your ship, either you will not shoot nym, or you will eat a bomb. Before the genius nerf it was actually both some horrifically high % of the time, though now you can sometimes put him in situations where he can't just always dial a 3 bank and figure it out later.

edit: just to be extra clear, this nym is the one I'm talking about:

Captain Nym (Scum) — Scurrg H-6 Bomber 30
Veteran Instincts 1
Twin Laser Turret 6
Extra Munitions 2
Proton Bombs 5
Proton Bombs 5
Advanced Sensors 3
"Genius" 0
Engine Upgrade 4
Havoc 0
Ship Total: 56

Yes, I have been playing competitevly since around wave 6. No disrespect taken: as we don't directly know each other, it's more than legitimate to ask such things to get some context.

Nym didn't kill arcs playing: he, like most of ship released, shaped the meta around its play. It's not that turrets weren't around before him and it's not like arcs disappeared alltogether (iirc there was also the far more oppressive and successfull 4 ship rebels which was an entirely arc based list for example)

It's also worth noting that back then, it was accuracy corrector nym the best nym, not the adv.sensor one

Was sensor Nym strong? Yes. Was he particularly good against the usual imperial aces? Also yes. Then empire discovered QD and that Palpatine was good even after the nerf

Nym had some weeks as one of the most broken things ever in this game, but it was Rebel Nym with trajectory simulator.

(and right now, or at least pre wave 14, he is part of the strongest list of the meta, Nym Miranda. But he's the "fair" part of this list, altough I can see a very compelling argument that this isn't much considering I'm comparing him with sabine Miranda)

11 minutes ago, Kieransi said:

That's 2 more hitpoints and the same exact agility and action bar as a B-Wing, which was considered incredibly beefy and the opposite of a glass cannon on release. It's only three less hitpoints than a Millenium Falcon.

I refuse to call that a "glass cannon" especially when it has almost as good of a dial as an X-Wing, moves at PS10, and can boost or barrel roll before or after moving.

Keyword "on release".

If you consider B-wing beefy now (or the last what, 2 years?) we aren't playing the same game.

And Falcon tankiness come from a combination of arcdodging, C3po, Evade action, Lowhrick and Rey pilot. Nym has only arcdodging and he's at most just decent at that.

53 minutes ago, Wiredin said:

he doesn't need sabine. he moves with near perfect information and either kills you or prevents you from shooting him. He restarted the PS war. He can choose between bombing you, TLTing, you or harpooning you... all three are pretty good options offensively and there is a better than good chance he will get to choose more than one... and if he can't, well there is always the range 1 attack. He is incredibly versatile.

And then do what? shoot without modifiers? Drop a bomb and relay on dice (or handling the good crit)? Also he had not such awesome mobility, we aren't talking about PTL kylo, Let's not enter fantaxwing

53 minutes ago, Wiredin said:

10/1 is also not a glass cannon. 4/4 is a glass cannon (Phantoms)

10/1 without modifiers is a glass cannon. 4/4 is a subpar ship with not even tier 2 competitive space (at least before krennic). Agin, let's just talk about actual ships that you would bring to an event you aim to win

11 minutes ago, Brunas said:

Got home, here's the nym maps which I still have because reasons, I guess. Here's what Nym doing a 3 bank looks like (with and without a range 3 bubble around him for scale).

Trigger warning?

Yeah, it was hard to not take a bomb if Nym really wanted to. Was it enough? No, unless you were particularly unlucky with the crit or didn't plan on exploit his bombing run with the rest of your list.

I'm not saying Nym is or was bad, just that he wasn't the powerhouse you are picturing him being, at least not with advanced sensor as a system

5 minutes ago, Wiredin said:

and this is why I had to stop flying snap shot a-wings during the Nym meta... FML

you and me both ?

1 minute ago, GreenDragoon said:

you and me both ?

it did feel real good yesterday getting two prockets off on Vermile tho (Jake/Tycho)

9 minutes ago, Sunitsa said:

It's also worth noting that back then, it was accuracy corrector nym the best nym, not the adv.sensor one

Was sensor Nym strong? Yes. Was he particularly good against the usual imperial aces? Also yes. Then empire discovered QD and that Palpatine was good even after the nerf

I'm not saying Nym is or was bad, just that he wasn't the powerhouse you are picturing him being, at least not with advanced sensor as a system

Ok, I think this is the problem. This statement is not true. Accuracy Corrector Nym was cute. Advanced Sensors Nym destroyed the game. And I do mean that literally - the moment it was released, AS Nym dominated every tournament scene, and players quit the game en masse. No, not even quickdraw could compete, though QD and Vader were the only arced ships that could compete.

I say this as someone that farmed bad nym players with the very same four ship rebel lists you say could compete. I had a 0% winrate vs nym against myself going into gencon, yet won every game in a competitive setting vs nym with the list save for the one bringing Advanced Sensors. Was it as stupid as Traj Sim + Genius? Not quite, but it's alarmingly close.

The only real tournaments that happened during that time if I remember were US Nationals and Gencon, and I can go grab the list juggler if you'd like to see just how much better AS performed than AC.

9 minutes ago, Sunitsa said:

Yes, I have been playing competitevly since around wave 6. No disrespect taken: as we don't directly know each other, it's more than legitimate to ask such things to get some context.

Always glad to hear it!

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6 minutes ago, Wiredin said:

wrong page

We passed 420 a while ago. Don't forget to pass after you puff.

8 minutes ago, Scott Pilgrim2 said:

We passed 420 a while ago. Don't forget to pass after you puff.

I'm waiting for it to get to me still... legal in Canada now tho.

3 hours ago, Sunitsa said:

Yes, I have been playing competitevly since around wave 6. No disrespect taken: as we don't directly know each other, it's more than legitimate to ask such things to get some context.

Nym didn't kill arcs playing: he, like most of ship released, shaped the meta around its play. It's not that turrets weren't around before him and it's not like arcs disappeared alltogether (iirc there was also the far more oppressive and successfull 4 ship rebels which was an entirely arc based list for example)

It's also worth noting that back then, it was accuracy corrector nym the best nym, not the adv.sensor one

Was sensor Nym strong? Yes. Was he particularly good against the usual imperial aces? Also yes. Then empire discovered QD and that Palpatine was good even after the nerf

Nym had some weeks as one of the most broken things ever in this game, but it was Rebel Nym with trajectory simulator.

(and right now, or at least pre wave 14, he is part of the strongest list of the meta, Nym Miranda. But he's the "fair" part of this list, altough I can see a very compelling argument that this isn't much considering I'm comparing him with sabine Miranda)

Keyword "on release".

If you consider B-wing beefy now (or the last what, 2 years?) we aren't playing the same game.

And Falcon tankiness come from a combination of arcdodging, C3po, Evade action, Lowhrick and Rey pilot. Nym has only arcdodging and he's at most just decent at that.

And then do what? shoot without modifiers? Drop a bomb and relay on dice (or handling the good crit)? Also he had not such awesome mobility, we aren't talking about PTL kylo, Let's not enter fantaxwing

10/1 without modifiers is a glass cannon. 4/4 is a subpar ship with not even tier 2 competitive space (at least before krennic). Agin, let's just talk about actual ships that you would bring to an event you aim to win

Yeah, it was hard to not take a bomb if Nym really wanted to. Was it enough? No, unless you were particularly unlucky with the crit or didn't plan on exploit his bombing run with the rest of your list.

I'm not saying Nym is or was bad, just that he wasn't the powerhouse you are picturing him being, at least not with advanced sensor as a system

Is a Lambda a Glass cannon? 10 health on an agility with pre-movement repositioning is by no means easy to kill without TLT or other high PS turrets. ****, with the weight of an agility there, that's the equivalent of a 14 health Decimator when shooting at it with 3 dice attacks, and that's assuming Nym never has a single focus token to spend on Defense.

Is the ******* Decimator and VCX a glass cannon? By your standards, they are, and that doesn't make any god **** sense.

Accuracy Corrector was only better if you are a monkey and exclusively play against dogs. It was so ******* easy to manufacture bumps with it that you didn't even necessarily need to use your turret- You could just go "here, have a damage, back to dials"

FSR2 had no intent to actually shoot you with those firing arcs to do significant damage- the list didn't give a **** about INCOMING fire, and can drift around to win on time. Or Fortress.

Nym was so god **** unpleasant to play against with arced ships that local tunrouts in most locations plummeted, or they instituted "no nym" rules via social pressure. The meta revolved around Nym until his nerf. I you were not a turret or PS 11, you could not deal with nym.

This is a good bit to come out and say "I was only pretending", but...

Yes, I mad.