New firespray dial is missing the one turn, my eyes started hurting after that but those are super useful

2.0 Defender graphic left out the red 2 k-turn too

De-railing the existing topic for another topic: Stealth device. In 2.0, this goes away whenever you take damage, so bombs will remove it. this seems ot make it worse on low HP high AGi aces, so is optimum use case now a high HP 2 agi ship? It might go away sooner, but you don't get super wrecked by a bad matchup and high AGI aces might want the added HP to not autolose to bombs, particularly seismic. Thoughts?

@Boom Owl trying to delete 8000 dials to reply to just one question was too hard, but yes, they have confirmed that the force works when stressed/bumped both in demo videos and in one of the preview articles.

Worth mentioning again: every small base except the sheathipede can reposition.

On 6/14/2018 at 2:45 PM, skotothalamos said:

Worth mentioning again: every small base except the sheathipede can reposition.

Because screw you, Fenn.

Also, is debris gambit stupid good on any ship that links to a red evade? I think yes.

7 hours ago, Do I need a Username said:

De-railing the existing topic for another topic: Stealth device. In 2.0, this goes away whenever you take damage, so bombs will remove it. this seems ot make it worse on low HP high AGi aces, so is optimum use case now a high HP 2 agi ship? It might go away sooner, but you don't get super wrecked by a bad matchup and high AGI aces might want the added HP to not autolose to bombs, particularly seismic. Thoughts?

I think it's still not great on 2 AGI. It will be shot off rather quickly and probably contribute less than a hull upgrade unless you have some really non-standard stuff in the squad to ramp up defense.

I think AGI3 is still the best place to put it, it's just not as good as it used to be.

Stealth Device *should* be a trap card - we don't want to live in a world where it's the right choice

8 hours ago, Do I need a Username said:

De-railing the existing topic for another topic: Stealth device. In 2.0, this goes away whenever you take damage, so bombs will remove it. this seems ot make it worse on low HP high AGi aces, so is optimum use case now a high HP 2 agi ship? It might go away sooner, but you don't get super wrecked by a bad matchup and high AGI aces might want the added HP to not autolose to bombs, particularly seismic. Thoughts?

Just having 3 agility doesn't make you a magical bomb magnet- especially with nerfs to 2.0 bombs, I would expect to take most of my damage from shooting. Stealth Device will be best on high-agi ships.

8 minutes ago, Transmogrifier said:

Stealth Device *should* be a trap card - we don't want to live in a world where it's the right choice

At the same time it shouldn’t automatically be the wrong choice. I want upgrades to be legitimate choices, strong in some cases, weak in others. If we’re just changing what is binder fodder I don’t think 2.0 could be considered a Great Leap Forward.

Did this thread Leia itself back into the main forums from the vaccuum of Off Topic?

4 minutes ago, Major Tom said:

At the same time it shouldn’t automatically be the wrong choice. I want upgrades to be legitimate choices, strong in some cases, weak in others. If we’re just changing what is binder fodder I don’t think 2.0 could be considered a Great Leap Forward.

So we’re making steel in our backyard now?

7 hours ago, Do I need a Username said:

Also, is debris gambit stupid good on any ship that links to a red evade? I think yes.

Dont quote me on this, but i'm pretty sure they said on one of the streams that linked actions cant be made white.

In 2.0, stealth device feels better on a high agility ship that you think isn't going to be shot that often (or alternatively, not shot often in the same turn).

So for a defender that you plan to joust with? I suspect shield upgrade is better (or nothing).

But soontir? Perhaps with lone wolf/elusive or a palp shuttle? Stealth device can make some sense.

1 minute ago, Tlfj200 said:

But soontir? Perhaps with lone wolf/elusive or a palp shuttle? Stealth device can make some sense.

I agree, a Lone Wolf Soontir with Stealth Device as a flanker sounds pretty good. You’d need a real hammer to make your opponent not want to just chase Soonts though. Supernatural Vader?

17 minutes ago, comawhite said:

Dont quote me on this, but i'm pretty sure they said on one of the streams that linked actions cant be made white.

They said the inverse- There may be a ship with white linked actions in the future.

12 minutes ago, Kaptin Krunch said:

They said the inverse- There may be a ship with white linked actions in the future.

I think they mean equipping Engine Upgrade doesn't mean that your Focus -> Red Boost becomes Focus -> Boost, for example.

But in the case of debris gambit*, we need to know whether 'red action' and 'red linked action' are two different things. I'm guessing they are, but that's a tough detail to extrapolate from what we know.

*While you perform a red [Evade] action, if there is an obstacle at range 0-1, treat the action as white instead. [adds red Evade action]

20 minutes ago, Major Tom said:

I agree, a Lone Wolf Soontir with Stealth Device as a flanker sounds pretty good. You’d need a real hammer to make your opponent not want to just chase Soonts though. Supernatural Vader?

Is there any way to get Vader an evade token?

Woah, when did this thread come back?

3 minutes ago, Crit Happens said:

Woah, when did this thread come back?

It's always been here. I don't know what you mean.

1 hour ago, Major Tom said:

At the same time it shouldn’t automatically be the wrong choice. I want upgrades to be legitimate choices, strong in some cases, weak in others. If we’re just changing what is binder fodder I don’t think 2.0 could be considered a Great Leap Forward.

Once you reach a certain amount of choices there's always going to be stuff to just stick in the binder. Expecting otherwise is just unrealistic.

37 minutes ago, Major Tom said:

I agree, a Lone Wolf Soontir with Stealth Device as a flanker sounds pretty good. You’d need a real hammer to make your opponent not want to just chase Soonts though. Supernatural Vader?

Rexler mothereffin' Brath. Unless you want that Juking, autocritting HLC to be on your flank.

That Lone Wolf Soontir is super interesting, though. Less tough than old Soontir, but can get blocked and actually be in pretty good shape with a Focus and reroll. Throw in a shield upgrade and Afterburners, I'm in.

Can you put both a shield upgrade and afterburners on a /IN now?

8 hours ago, Do I need a Username said:

Also, is debris gambit stupid good on any ship that links to a red evade? I think yes.

Whoa, that would be cool but also probably too good. I wonder if linked actions are different from standard actions. Let's all pick a side arbitrarily and fight, just like Supernatural Reflexes and linked actions! Really though, could go either way IMO.

2 hours ago, Biophysical said:

I think it's still not great on 2 AGI. It will be shot off rather quickly and probably contribute less than a hull upgrade unless you have some really non-standard stuff in the squad to ramp up defense.

I think AGI3 is still the best place to put it, it's just not as good as it used to be.

That

1 hour ago, Transmogrifier said:

Stealth Device *should* be a trap card - we don't want to live in a world where it's the right choice

I agree

1 hour ago, comawhite said:

Dont quote me on this, but i'm pretty sure they said on one of the streams that linked actions cant be made white.

That would be interesting if Linked Actions are separate basically, and you can't make them easier. Not sure how they'd rule themselves to get there though, since we haven't see anything that modifies linked actions at all.

2 hours ago, Transmogrifier said:

Stealth Device *should* be a trap card - we don't want to live in a world where it's the right choice

That world is 1.5, and I agree*, we do not want to live in that world.