58 minutes ago, Brunas said:

what else even matters though

Who cares about being right when you can tell other people they're wrong?

7 hours ago, skotothalamos said:

Yeah, and Catan Worlds are in Cologne. Euro game? Euro worlds. You want to build roads and trade sheep with the best? Go to Germany. You want to roll attack dice and blow up space ships? Come to murrica!

And Magic changes location every year, why bringing up example of compelty unrelated games should matter?

8 hours ago, JasonCole said:

That's why you need to get gud.

Need is a strong word.

14 hours ago, Sunitsa said:

oh come on, it was one of the most diverse top8 since the meta went stale, half of it were non turretted ship lists and no bloody 100 points mirandas went past top 16...

I know this probably just a joke, but at this point I'm not getting why so much blind hate

I don't want to rain on your parade too much, but I just see 8 dengaroos.

13 hours ago, ElricStormbringer said:

In regards to the "cheap" Miranda, the only version of her we have seen only had bombs equipped. I am curious as to whether they may have removed the secondary turret from the k. There is also the potential that missiles or torps have also been removed. If any of those turn out to be the case it would help explain the low point cost.

She got her Initiative whacked down to 4, too (relative to 5/6 in 1.0)....

On the bright side, she is the only pilot we know of that can do infinite bomblets (using her ability to grab a shield, then spend it next round to regen her bombs).

Just now, Bucknife said:

On the bright side, she is the only pilot we know of that can do infinite bomblets (using her ability to grab a shield, then spend it next round to regen her bombs). 

Even better: if she has arc.

8 hours ago, Aaron Foss said:

Working within a sustainable budget = cheap? I guess I learned something new today after all.

Yeah, people still don't generally recognize how big FFG is (or, in fact, isn't).

I've pointed this out before, but they are already pretty much all hands on deck already and they can do that because they are local. The cost it would take to move all of those employees somewhere else for the week (or probably more), supplies, etc.....People really need to get over the idea that FFG is ever going to move World's anytime in the near future. They've incorporated System Opens to try and alleviate some of that frustration.

8 hours ago, Aaron Foss said:

Working within a sustainable budget = cheap? I guess I learned something new today after all.

I’d argue if FFG (more likely, asmodee) wanted, they could make a budget for worlds - but they don’t want to.

theyd rather have it in-house on a cheaper budget. It feels like a choice, not a necessity (or, a necessity due to the choice of their budget).

53 minutes ago, AlexW said:

Yeah, people still don't generally recognize how big FFG is (or, in fact, isn't).

I've pointed this out before, but they are already pretty much all hands on deck already and they can do that because they are local. The cost it would take to move all of those employees somewhere else for the week (or probably more), supplies, etc.....People really need to get over the idea that FFG is ever going to move World's anytime in the near future. They've incorporated System Opens to try and alleviate some of that frustration.

And now worlds is invite only with no other Star Wars games to get in the way. At least the space issue will probably be solved. Just don’t plan on having anything fun to do other than eat, drink, and play x-Wing. (but what else would you want to do anyway?)

43 minutes ago, AlexW said:

Yeah, people still don't generally recognize how big FFG is (or, in fact, isn't).

I've pointed this out before, but they are already pretty much all hands on deck already and they can do that because they are local. The cost it would take to move all of those employees somewhere else for the week (or probably more), supplies, etc.....People really need to get over the idea that FFG is ever going to move World's anytime in the near future. They've incorporated System Opens to try and alleviate some of that frustration.

Yeah, because there aren't asmodee employees that are proving time after time they are perfectly able to handle 400+ players tournament in Europe, FFG would definitely need to send their NA based crew...

There aren't serious economic reasons to not willing to move Worlds, FFG is just being cheap with cutting rental expanse (which they can cover with tickets sold, as they are already doing for SoS) and by having players directly access to their own shop.

Overall they are preferring to make like what, 5k profit, rather than actually promoting their game by having a real World Championship (by alterning it from USA and Europe, and if there are enough players to justify it, to Asia and Australia too)

13 minutes ago, Sunitsa said:

Yeah, because there aren't asmodee employees that are proving time after time they are perfectly able to handle 400+ players tournament in Europe, FFG would definitely need to send their NA based crew...

There aren't serious economic reasons to not willing to move Worlds, FFG is just being cheap with cutting rental expanse (which they can cover with tickets sold, as they are already doing for SoS) and by having players directly access to their own shop.

Overall they are preferring to make like what, 5k profit, rather than actually promoting their game by having a real World Championship (by alterning it from USA and Europe, and if there are enough players to justify it, to Asia and Australia too)

I agree it's frustrating to us as players that the "world" championships are always in the same place, but what does FFG have to gain from moving it? I doubt they'll get any extra game sales regardless of where worlds is hosted, and they already get the promotion for events from things like UKGE and the euro system opens...

They could probably do some serious growth by having more Australian OP support (and places that have no support) but the number of players that go to worlds is so low it's pretty much a non-issue for advertising the game.

55 minutes ago, Sunitsa said:

Yeah, because there aren't asmodee employees that are proving time after time they are perfectly able to handle 400+ players tournament in Europe, FFG would definitely need to send their NA based crew...

There aren't serious economic reasons to not willing to move Worlds, FFG is just being cheap with cutting rental expanse (which they can cover with tickets sold, as they are already doing for SoS) and by having players directly access to their own shop.

Overall they are preferring to make like what, 5k profit, rather than actually promoting their game by having a real World Championship (by alterning it from USA and Europe, and if there are enough players to justify it, to Asia and Australia too)

I'm not saying there aren't capable tournament organizers -- there obviously are (not everything is a dig at Europe), but that's not the experience FFG is going for for World's. For example, they had developers available playing demo games and answering questions they had a panel available for 2.0.

I was actually typing up a question about who runs tournaments like the System Open, etc...because we obviously only have FFG employees here (and haven't seen someone that is from Asmodee that isn't an FFG regular).

If your assumption is correct that they are making 5k, then I think you've already answered your question about why they haven't moved it. The employees mentioned in the first paragraph would cost that much for travel alone and that's just for X-wing.

2 hours ago, AlexW said:

Yeah, people still don't generally recognize how big FFG is (or, in fact, isn't).

I've pointed this out before, but they are already pretty much all hands on deck already and they can do that because they are local. The cost it would take to move all of those employees somewhere else for the week (or probably more), supplies, etc.....People really need to get over the idea that FFG is ever going to move World's anytime in the near future. They've incorporated System Opens to try and alleviate some of that frustration.

I've run small tabletop conventions. *cheap* convention space for 500 people for a weekend can be $8000+ for the space. Another $1500 in table and chair rentals. Plus several thousand in misc things that add up. Registration costs, uniforms and swag for volunteers, signage, ect. Less cheap can run upwards of $25,000 for a nicer space. There's a lot of places that can handle 150-200 people fairly reasonably. Once you start pushing up into the 500+ person range it starts getting pretty expensive quickly.

4 minutes ago, viedit said:

I've run small tabletop conventions. *cheap* convention space for 500 people for a weekend can be $8000+ for the space. Another $1500 in table and chair rentals. Plus several thousand in misc things that add up. Registration costs, uniforms and swag for volunteers, signage, ect. Less cheap can run upwards of $25,000 for a nicer space. There's a lot of places that can handle 150-200 people fairly reasonably. Once you start pushing up into the 500+ person range it starts getting pretty expensive quickly.

This.

FFG *could* do it, but they clearly do not *want* to do it [yet?].

i think they’re just not interested in becoming another tournament magic scene, or at least splitting the difference and contracting out the big events.

Given that, though... I’d love if they were willing to contract out worlds...

I always got the impression that 'Worlds' isn't just 'Worlds' for FFG in as much as it's more 'Coming Homes'. It's not so different to Games Workshop doing a bunch of stuff in Nottingham of all god-foresaken places. Looking at it from a pure access or profit point of view is missing the point, imo.

13 hours ago, Tlfj200 said:

And yet, 2.0 more aligns with the ‘xwing sucks crowd.’ I’m actually interested to see if Europe likes the new game.

You gotta remember, though. Europe is a geographical area of fifty different countries and languages, twenty-eight of which form the EU. It's not one country. It's not one people. One of the many reasons the "tiny european meta" shtick from US-based players rubbed people here the wrong way is that it presumes we're all the same.

The Polish meta is very different to the British meta. The Polish community is very different to the British community. And so on, and so forth. Sometimes those distinctions are lost when discussing "europe" as a single entity.

In other news, Benjamin Lee of the 186th won the 470-player European Championship. Nobody on these forums seem to give a **** outside of a couple of mentions in this thread. Hype.

6 minutes ago, jesper_h said:

You gotta remember, though. Europe is a geographical area of fifty different countries and languages, twenty-eight of which form the EU. It's not one country. It's not one people. One of the many reasons the "tiny european meta" shtick from US-based players rubbed people here the wrong way is that it presumes we're all the same.

The Polish meta is very different to the British meta. The Polish community is very different to the British community. And so on, and so forth. Sometimes those distinctions are lost when discussing "europe" as a single entity.

But they are really small tiny countries

3 minutes ago, jesper_h said:

In other news, Benjamin Lee of the 186th won the 470-player European Championship. Nobody on these forums seem to give a **** outside of a couple of mentions in this thread. Hype.

Yeah, unfortunately I think that's the curse of not having a stream at an event these days.

There are only three other legitimate options for worlds locations

22 minutes ago, jesper_h said:

In other news, Benjamin Lee of the 186th won the 470-player European Championship. Nobody on these forums seem to give a **** outside of a couple of mentions in this thread. Hype.

No, generally interest in 1.0 has been lost, and the fact that it didn't have a stream hurts.

24 minutes ago, jesper_h said:

You gotta remember, though. Europe is a geographical area of fifty different countries and languages, twenty-eight of which form the EU. It's not one country. It's not one people. One of the many reasons the "tiny european meta" shtick from US-based players rubbed people here the wrong way is that it presumes we're all the same.

The Polish meta is very different to the British meta. The Polish community is very different to the British community. And so on, and so forth. Sometimes those distinctions are lost when discussing "europe" as a single entity.

People from the US aren't the only ones that lump them together. We had a whole thread here at one point where someone from Europe did just that to imply that the meta, scene, etc...were better in Europe. But you make a good point.

The same meta issue is probably true of different regions of the US but there is crossover amongst the player base. From what I understand of Europe's Xwing scene, this also seems to be true, especially for the big tournaments where it sounds like there is a bit more opportunity to go to multiple big tournaments due to the various reasons travel is "easier." Of course, I have no data other than what people have reported themselves, but it would be interesting to figure it out.

4 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

There are only three other legitimate options for worlds locations

I approve of your suggestions... though the Intrepid flight deck may be a bit breezy for a tournament, and everybody is likely to suffer from some form of sunstroke.

11 minutes ago, LagJanson said:

I approve of your suggestions... though the Intrepid flight deck may be a bit breezy for a tournament, and everybody is likely to suffer from some form of sunstroke.

We can encase it in a huge tent.

39 minutes ago, LagJanson said:

I approve of your suggestions... though the Intrepid flight deck may be a bit breezy for a tournament, and everybody is likely to suffer from some form of sunstroke.

Top tables play in the shadow of that SR71.

Clearly FFG should just calculate the center of mass of all X-wing players and hold Worlds in that exact location.

(It would still be in the U.S. because we're all too fat over here)