28 minutes ago, Brunas said:

Very much this. Interesting on defenders with engine - I know people played around with it on ryad, but with push. High PS X7 Defenders with engine move in a way I'm not really familiar with, I'll have to try it sometime. Thanks!

Pre-Kylo you could catch people off guard, because Engine opens up new ways of turning around. If you're not straight lined up on someone, a hard turn + boost can sometimes put you on a better place than the 4k. On top of that, the 3-turn or 5 straight + boost used to catch people off guard because they're so fast, but Silencers have been kind of getting people used to those moves.

It seems one of the keys to beating Fenn/Ghost is having no token mods... so Rey makes a lot of sense... what if you Engine Rey and fly with VI Fenn? What if Rey could boost @ 11 too?

6 minutes ago, Wiredin said:

It seems one of the keys to beating Fenn/Ghost is having no token mods... so Rey makes a lot of sense... what if you Engine Rey and fly with VI Fenn? What if Rey could boost @ 11 too?

Leaves you with like a 12 point bid, so the math checks out:

https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Rebel Alliance&d=v4!s!201:220,-1,200,159:40:3:;275:27,213,253:-1:-1:&sn=Unnamed Squadron&obs=

3 minutes ago, Kieransi said:

Leaves you with like a 12 point bid, so the math checks out:

https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Rebel Alliance&d=v4!s!201:220,-1,200,159:40:3:;275:27,213,253:-1:-1:&sn=Unnamed Squadron&obs=

I was thinking more like this...

https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Rebel Alliance&d=v4!s!201:220,-1,200,159:40:3:;275:27,-1,2:-1:-1:;224::-1:-1:&sn=Unsaved Squadron&obs=

you loose Hot Cop tho.

Just now, Brunas said:

budget better

I tried to make engine on defenders work for a while and I always ran into 3 problems. Low PS on the better defenders make them poor arc dodgers, straight cost and the awkward points size it makes them, and a lack of action efficiency making you weak on turns you boost. Rexler is useless on turns he boosts and low PS Vessery and Ryad are the most action efficient Defenders. VI feels bad since you lose out on the punch from the other EPTs... there are so many hard tradeoffs that none of them feels perfect.

Ryad w/ PTL always seemed the standout of the bunch since she can actually boost and focus up. Plus the 2K + boost is a pretty great surprise move that nobody saw coming. But that PS 5 puts a damper on things and always made me wonder if those points could be better used elsewhere.

On the other hand if they had a system slot and could advanced sensors 4K in 3 different directions, now that might be a different story

12 minutes ago, Makaze said:

I tried to make engine on defenders work for a while and I always ran into 3 problems. Low PS on the better defenders make them poor arc dodgers, straight cost and the awkward points size it makes them, and a lack of action efficiency making you weak on turns you boost. Rexler is useless on turns he boosts and low PS Vessery and Ryad are the most action efficient Defenders. VI feels bad since you lose out on the punch from the other EPTs... there are so many hard tradeoffs that none of them feels perfect.

Ryad w/ PTL always seemed the standout of the bunch since she can actually boost and focus up. Plus the 2K + boost is a pretty great surprise move that nobody saw coming. But that PS 5 puts a damper on things and always made me wonder if those points could be better used elsewhere.

On the other hand if they had a system slot and could advanced sensors 4K in 3 different directions, now that might be a different story

I vaugley remember in wave 4 we were taking engine to essentially change the k turn alley, the greens were never there to ptl arc dodge.

1 hour ago, Kieransi said:

I just read the four or five pages that happened while I was asleep, and I think I might have to retract this statement.

You know it's bad when the s**tposts happen faster than @Brunas can like them.

Yeah as much as i love seeing the thread grow, that was belligerent well past the point of funny.

3 minutes ago, catachanninja said:

Yeah as much as i love seeing the thread grow, that was belligerent well past the point of funny.

I agree.

The thread will likely need some time to heal and return to its wholesome roots.

57 minutes ago, catachanninja said:

I vaugley remember in wave 4 we were taking engine to essentially change the k turn alley, the greens were never there to ptl arc dodge.

Engine on Defenders has never been about planned arc dodging, it's almost entirely about pre-merge maneuvering, range control, and, as you say making the most of a K-turn.

2 hours ago, Wiredin said:

It seems one of the keys to beating Fenn/Ghost is having no token mods... so Rey makes a lot of sense... what if you Engine Rey and fly with VI Fenn? What if Rey could boost @ 11 too?

Bob Dee made the cut at the Copenhagen System Open with a weird Rey/Fenn/AP-5 list, his top 16 game was streamed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmCHy9z8geo

2 hours ago, catachanninja said:

Yeah as much as i love seeing the thread grow, that was belligerent well past the point of funny.

Just as long as nobody does anything to get the thread locked or deleted. That would probably ruin the X-Wing forum for me for good.

Luckily, I think threads of 100+ pages have immunity, and the mods just have to delete posts. Hence, my earlier post is already back to the top of this page.

Also, I am taking over for @Brunas and going through and liking all the rest of the posts today. Somebody has to do it, right? It wouldn't be the Krayt thread if you couldn't arbitrarily inflate your like/post ratio for no reason.

1 minute ago, Kieransi said:

Just as long as nobody does anything to get the thread locked or deleted. That would probably ruin the X-Wing forum for me for good.

Luckily, I think threads of 100+ pages have immunity, and the mods just have to delete posts. Hence, my earlier post is already back to the top of this page.

Also, I am taking over for @Brunas and going through and liking all the rest of the posts today. Somebody has to do it, right? It wouldn't be the Krayt thread if you couldn't arbitrarily inflate your like/post ratio for no reason.

Arbitrary "I Agree" for the day

6 hours ago, Makaze said:

I tried to make engine on defenders work for a while and I always ran into 3 problems. Low PS on the better defenders make them poor arc dodgers, straight cost and the awkward points size it makes them, and a lack of action efficiency making you weak on turns you boost. Rexler is useless on turns he boosts and low PS Vessery and Ryad are the most action efficient Defenders. VI feels bad since you lose out on the punch from the other EPTs... there are so many hard tradeoffs that none of them feels perfect.

Ryad w/ PTL always seemed the standout of the bunch since she can actually boost and focus up. Plus the 2K + boost is a pretty great surprise move that nobody saw coming. But that PS 5 puts a damper on things and always made me wonder if those points could be better used elsewhere.

On the other hand if they had a system slot and could advanced sensors 4K in 3 different directions, now that might be a different story

Have you tried Intensity? It lets you use your reposition moves while still getting a focus and then you usually have leftover focus or evade to reactivate it before you need to trigger it again. It really changes how you can make your Defenders move.

45 minutes ago, Transmogrifier said:

Have you tried Intensity? It lets you use your reposition moves while still getting a focus and then you usually have leftover focus or evade to reactivate it before you need to trigger it again. It really changes how you can make your Defenders move.

Nope, I was running them post Imperial vets but pre intensity. Though I'm kind of thinking, based on Zack and Biophysical's replies, that perhaps the real problem was that my approach to engine upgrade was out of habit too focused in trying to use it to dodge arcs or get blocks.

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2018/2/22/cracking-the-metagame/

2 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2018/2/22/cracking-the-metagame/

I'm liking the disrespect Gchips on the first triple wookiee list.

On 2/22/2018 at 9:27 PM, Boom Owl said:

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2018/2/22/cracking-the-metagame/

What is this? This almost makes me think FFG cares and got this information themselves. I mean even the write up is competent.

$5 says they sniped it from listjuggler though lolz

14 hours ago, Kdubb said:

I mean, I still have doubts Alaska is even a real place. I think @VanderLegion lives there or something? Idk if I believe him though.

maybe he was the one flying Ghost Fenn?

I was not the ghost fenn. I did fly against it though. And then against a ghost/lowhrikk (that one was really annoying, since I was paired against a new old han/poe, then they discovered scores were written down for one match and repaired everyone and I got another ghost). Was the worst I've ever done in a tournamnet and I ended up dropping after the second ghost to go home to a sick kid who was asking for me.

1 hour ago, Boom Owl said:

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2018/2/22/cracking-the-metagame/

Favorite part of the article:

I guess Leebo meta continues to be a thing? It's also either an error in the article, or the first time I've ever seen disrespect Smuggling Compartments.

So, on the subject of stuff that can do well against both spectre 7 and the rest of the field, isn't Blair Bunke's Z swarm a legit answer?

If nothing else, 14 dice for final salvo sounds legit

5 hours ago, jokerkd said:

So, on the subject of stuff that can do well against both spectre 7 and the rest of the field, isn't Blair Bunke's Z swarm a legit answer?

If nothing else, 14 dice for final salvo sounds legit

He plays them so fair, though. Know what sounds better than 14 red dice? Fort Chris.

9 minutes ago, AEIllingworth said:

He plays them so fair, though. Know what sounds better than 14 red dice? Fort Chris.

Brings new meaning to the phrase "Live Free, Don't Join"...

Blair Bunke is secretly just waiting for another chance to burn down the ghost. "Oh, you ignore two shots per turn? How sad that I have seven ships"