11 minutes ago, svelok said:

snap and foresight seem maybe fine

• I'm not confident snap is fine
• I'm also not confident foresight is fine

4pts Foresight seems pretty mediocre, at least on Aethersprites. I was thinking playable at 3 good at 2

9 minutes ago, svelok said:

nothing is rotated out of hyperspace

• why does this format even exist anymore
• I'm mad about it
• so much wasted potential

to make the ever same point once more: the less extended the better, simple as that. New factions need a comparable amount of ships first

25 minutes ago, Ablazoned said:

But in what world is naked Fac as good as naked soontir?

The current one where Sun Fac can I6 reposition through obstacles with an arc rotate or out of arcs when blocked...

Wait, Tractor tokens don't individually detract an opponent's number of defense dice? It's just -1 regardless of number of Tractor tokens... Huh.

27 minutes ago, Hiemfire said:

The current one where Sun Fac can I6 reposition through obstacles with an arc rotate or out of arcs when blocked...

Not nearly as valuable as double repo plus focus or blocked into a focus.

4 minutes ago, Ablazoned said:

Not nearly as valuable as double repo plus focus or blocked into a focus.

Soontir is still a culprit of being too cheap anyway. Should cost more than Wedge honestly.

16 minutes ago, Ablazoned said:

Not nearly as valuable as double repo plus focus or blocked into a focus.

Does Soontir have a turret?

12 minutes ago, Octarine-08 said:

Does Soontir have a turret?

I consider the 2-dice turret plus 3-dice bullseye a wash versus full arc 3-dice primary on a ship that can neither double repo nor bank boost.

1 hour ago, svelok said:

also they robbed the nantex of its mod slot

Robbed

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Robbery

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Robbers

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Via robbery

4 hours ago, Ablazoned said:

But in what world is naked Fac as good as naked soontir?

As has been mentioned, reposition over obstacles on bump is pretty good, but also that Sun Fac has a fully white dial.

Soontir needs to pull his blues, but Sun Fac has all the white on their dial: every basic move except the 1-straight.

Additionally, from flying a lot of TIE/sfs, and as we've seen from RZ-2 A-Wings, having extra arcs is really good, even if there are only 2-attack dice (and 3 at range 1). There's a lot of potential chip damage an ace can do, particularly when it isn't trying to shoot you from the front.

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Overall, Nantex looks wicked pre-nerfed (removal of the clearly-intended Mod slot, for example). Seems better than having to live through a month of tractor-hades.

Our enby bug ace was too glorious to live.

11 hours ago, Transmogrifier said:

Soontir Fel has been a clone of a mysterious 'Sontir Fel' this whole time!

Unironically my theory for Rise of Skywalker and Shev Palpatine

So is Precognitive Vader going to be a thing? Sure, you can't chain actions, but FCS lets you keep your lock, and PCR can put your K-Turn or T-Roll into a better position, or help you boost without wasting 'burners if you're just trying to clear space. You'll also be able to opt into bumps, to deny folks shots on you. 13 points isn't too expensive for a tool that could be really powerful some turns, as well as fairly versatile, while keeping the rest of the tools of the build intact.

88 points vs 75 for the standard FCS/Afterburners build... I think PCR might be cheap enough to see play.

Precog Kylo Options 5 Straight Only?

7 hours ago, drjkel said:

Points are up and we don't have Krayt analysis yet? I am disappointed!

Ensnare Sun Fac is not cheap!

please allow for a period of mourning before any analysis

54 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

Precog Kylo Options 5 Straight Only?

neat - obiwan does it better for cheaper though

11 hours ago, Transmogrifier said:

I imagine the margin on card packs are probably pretty good...

For sure, but I'm not worried about margin, it's more a question of total potential profit. These card packs are something you can only sell to folks who already play/own the game rather than a way of expanding the player base significantly, so even if you have really high margins you can't sell them for a ton of money and thus the total amount you can make off of them is small. Put another way, your profit per item is likely still lower than a miniature, you only have a few different card packs and presumably there's no reason for people to buy multiples.

Obviously it's FFG's business and they know best, just not sure it's the long term solution to variety that some think it is.

Multi post!

MULTI POST

Multi post!!

8 hours ago, svelok said:

highest amounts of mad

• nothing is rotated out of hyperspace
  • why does this format even exist anymore
  • I'm mad about it
  • so much wasted potential
• sun fac naked is more than soontir fel
  • mad about this too
• sun fac with ensnare is like a thousand points
  • I am in fact not mad about it
  • it might still be too cheap
• precog is only 10 points on obi-wan
  • seething
  • republic games might never end before time again
  • I'm doomed to keep being mad about obi-wan until january I guess
• ahsoka is only 12 points
  • m a d

medium amounts of mad

• the nantex not at i6 might be pretty strong with their more aggressively cheap ensnare
  • still mad about sun fac being 54 base
  • chertek and berwer and generics all seem plausibly good
  • ensnare as cheap as 10 for the lower inits is probably a mistake
  • deflection is maybe overpriced or maybe not, I'm not sure
• anakin at 60 seems maybe too high
  • I'm not mad, jedi are the enemy
• oddball is more than norra
  • why is oddball more than norra?
• I'm just gonna put precog in every category because jesus why
  • stop trying to give jedi pre-dial reposition
  • the game doesn't need this, just stop
  • why

low amounts of mad

• snap and foresight seem maybe fine
  • I'm not confident snap is fine
  • I'm also not confident foresight is fine
• I don't care about targeting computer
  • also they robbed the nantex of its mod slot
  • why is only Vader allowed to have afterburners?
• precog
  • precog
• contraband cybers is hyperspace legal now
  • dorsal turret still isn't for some reason
  • I wish this format was good

I keep going back and forth on precog. Its definitely too cheap, but im trying to decide if the mechanic is ever okay. When this design team took over, one of the very first things released was the tie phantom and OG whisper/cloak, it feels like these are all repeated attempts to get a mechanic right, that im starting to suspect just can't be corrected.

The hyperspace thing is maddening too, ffgop is doing so well across so many games that its bizzare they have this massive blindspot here. We've had very few new players since second edition started, and the rare occasion new people express interest, i still have to remove myself from the conversation at the gamestore. I still can't recommend buying in, and it kills me a little to see other people ineffectually try to sell the game when they're half the salesmen i am.

7 hours ago, RStan said:

Soontir is still a culprit of being too cheap anyway. Should cost more than Wedge honestly.

As the Kylo main in the room: please no. I6 shouldn't be allowed to point fortress. Vader lacking boost is ok, Fenn getting scared is dealable, Poe at 2 green dice and a typical single defensive mod can be worn down, and Soontir is cheap enough to ignore. But Anakin's stress shedding and his regen, along with a hefty price tag, mean that I can't merely outplay like the other aces, but have to play unhumanly good (yeah, good luck!). If Soontit is pushed in cost, he'll just strip his friends for more Lone Wolf, double longetivity mods of choice, and a slightly less extravagant bid. A ballsier and more expensive Soontir that QD prays against hope to nick the paint off? Y U C K.

Edit to avoid double post: As the Kylo main again, here we go again. Every force user is a diet Kylo. Guess I gotta git gud and use true Supernat to catch prey better than it will squirrel. But thank the maker that Fac is costed as an I6 that can repo through obstacles with the obscenities of tractors costed separately. Not afraid of most ensnare nantecs, but terrified of a skilled ensnare Fac. Thannison went up by 2, so if my tractor buddy and favorite non-tavson shuttle costs me some, I'm peevishly fine with seeing ensnare costing some.

3 hours ago, Boom Owl said:

Precog Kylo Options 5 Straight Only?

Missing the no-precog, barrel right and boost left (and vice versa).

Just now, skotothalamos said:

Missing the no-precog, barrel right and boost left (and vice versa).

Why Kylo? Anyone can now pre move repo without worrying about damage or foils etc. Kylo will probably go naked on one extreme, continue to sport cheap talents, or abuse his chassis on the other extreme with supernatural, especially with only 2 force charges and really wanting multiple repos or perhaps a focus token/lock. Regen Jedi, fcs Vader already lock-charged, Anakin Y wing, and Luke especially see this card as some serious gourmet ****.

1 hour ago, catachanninja said:

Multi post!!

1 hour ago, catachanninja said:

Multi post!

1 hour ago, catachanninja said:

MULTI POST

1 hour ago, catachanninja said:

Multi post!!

Bring me your Nantexes.

7 hours ago, Brunas said:

neat

Thats one word for it.

Precog Kylo at 86 seems like a bargain. R2 or R2A6 Precog Obi is pretty comically cheap as well, 67 pts with CLT, 83 with 7b.

The real kicker is Precog Vader with fcs is only 82 pts. With Passives/Burners still doesnt even go above 90.

Triple Precog CLT 655 fits as well but hardly seems like the best option available for the faction.

Its like this weird timeline where Regen, Passive Sensors, R2A6, Sense, couple other upgrades and the Force Aces ( including Kylo/Vader) were all already undercosted before wave 5 arrived. Then we inject undercosted precog fuel into the fire. For some reason I thought R2A6 would be 12 pts at i6....not precog.

I was positive precog would be at least 20+ pts at i6. Oh well, time to figure out the exact same old boring puzzle again. Really important that people not forget aces choose between all the places their dial and actions can go + the new places Precog adds.

These cards are essentially the same as putting more maneuveres on a dial, you just dont have to actually select those options until later.

At least there only 18 possible end positions with a 5 straight instead of 30+. Gotta look at the bright side.