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2 minutes ago, Kaptin Krunch said:

Krassis can't use Outmaneuver on a rear arc shot.

I would agree with that.

Of course Krassis with a concussion performs a "forward arc special attack". But I'd argue that outmaneuver does not care about this part. Instead outmaneuver cares about the actual arc that's being used for the attack. And Krassis firing concussions from the rear arc does perform a rear arc attack, even if the specific weapon is a forward arc special attack.

1 hour ago, Kaptin Krunch said:

Krassis can't use Outmaneuver on a rear arc shot.

Yes he can?

11 hours ago, Ablazoned said:

Anyone care to check my supplement to the community rules supplement (speed it up, illuminati!!) for an upcoming HST? it's the "Rules FAQ" section of this doc:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zzwRDpPdTHo8AUbMRMFrVsnPpdE7pMAcgUVaUha1ZU8/edit?usp=sharing

Anything wrong or missing? Any help is much appreciated! Thanks!

Q: If I am using a first-round bye, may I arrive after round 1 starts?
A: Yes, but you MUST submit your list to TTO before 0900; failure to do this or failure to present the physical bye card when you arrive may result in refusal of your bye and treating the first round as a 200-200 loss.

Probably better to give a 0-200 loss to avoid any potential abuse

Q: If a ship executes a maneuver which causes it not to overlap another ship to barely contact it while properly fitting the maneuver template into all the correct guides, are those ships considered to be Range 0? Does the ship skip its “perform action” step as a result of overlapping?
A: We will consider all situations where ships overlap to result in the two ships being at range 0, and consider all situations in which the ships did not overlap to not be at range 0.

This is technically incorrect, the point of the range 0 rule is so that when you're called as a judge you have a binary yes/no for whether or not something bumped, since you can't trust either player. That being said, it's basically impossible anyways...

Q: A ship with Networked Calculations has more than 1 calculating friendly ship at range 0-1. May it spend 1 calculate from any number of these ships using the Networked Calculations ability?
A: No. Networked Calculations specifies that 1 calculate is spent, then goes on to describe where that 1 calculate may originate from.

Usually what people are missing here is that Networked Calculations is a may- e.g. a card that can only be triggered once per opportunity, not a can, as in you gain the ability to do this as a cool thing thing during the dice mod step. The answer is right but I don't it clarifies it, if that makes sense?

Only other note for Padme is it might be worth noting that adding a focus result (CLT, Scum Sabine, Vennie, Finn, etc) counts as your one modification.

Looks good though! Thanks for being so prepared for your event. I wouldn't hold out for the "judge illuminati" to release anything anytime soon :(

Thoughts on Rey:
Rey (73)
Sense (5)
Rose Tico (9)
Korr Sella (6)
Finn (10)
Rey's Millennium Falcon (5)

Ship total: 108 Half Points: 54 Threshold: 6


Total: 108

  • Rey gets to sloop, rotate or boost while stressed -> should have you in an arc, possibly front arc
    • A single blue maneuver clears all the stress, which used to be a problem that has now a solution!
  • Sense -> easier to get you in arc
  • If you end up in an arc, Rey can:
    • add a blank from Finn
      • even if stressed
    • cancel a result by Rose to get a lock
      • even if stressed
    • spend a force to turn a blank or focus into hit
      • even if stressed

She sounds really good to me. Is it a trap?

4 hours ago, GreenDragoon said:

Was observing Bartosz yesterday on Vassal. I also remember a game from @Brunas (at the Mynock Open iirc, so quite long ago) and one from Bunn, I think. It's not something I paid attention to, but it struck me as odd at the time and I remember those two. I am quite sure I've seen it more often, but unfortunately I can't point you towards a specific game - otherwise I'd go and review it myself.

I'm sorry for being vague, that's why I wanted to ask if anyone sees the same.

Hmm, if you're watching my games (and I'll speak for Bunn too) I think you might be getting it backwards. We end up with a lot of unmodified shots from extreme risk aversion - generally something riskier could have gotten shots that turn, but some no-balls dial means now I have to boost for an unmodded shot or whatever.

I mean, the "risk aversion meter" has been our ongoing joke for like a year now, lol @punkUser

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22 hours ago, GreenDragoon said:

Where is Lando? Every time I look at him I think he's remarkable. And yet - barely seen. (e2: or is he?)

15-HP Lando, Norra (Y-wing), Thane won the Mountain View HST, FWIW.

...jesus

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re: this:

5 minutes ago, Brunas said:

Hmm, if you're watching my games (and I'll speak for Bunn too) I think you might be getting it backwards. We end up with a lot of unmodified shots from extreme risk aversion - generally something riskier could have gotten shots that turn, but some no-balls dial means now I have to boost for an unmodded shot or whatever.

But you do end up with a lot of unmodified shots? Where "a lot" means something like "more than people generally do around you", whatever generally means

I hate being so vague, but it seems that I'm at least not crazy even if I misunderstood the reason

1 minute ago, GreenDragoon said:

But you do end up with a lot of unmodified shots? Where "a lot" means something like "more than people generally do around you", whatever generally means

I hate being so vague, but it seems that I'm at least not crazy even if I misunderstood the reason

Haha, no worries - I don't mean you're like watching things wrong, just that I think that it can be really hard to figure out why people did things on streams, and the commentary is usually... not helpful. Do I have more unmodified shots than other people?

...I have no idea, honestly. Probably depends on what's being played, but in general yes I think? Generally it's because I'm going somewhere I know they can't shoot me (without doing something nonsensical) though. Though now Jedi mod everything so I get lots of mods, even when I'm being a coward!

2 hours ago, svelok said:

Most common rules problems:

Pretty much everything inside the Resistance Transport expansion interacting with anything else in the Resistance

Fixed that for you ;)

25 minutes ago, Brunas said:

Only other note for Padme is it might be worth noting that adding a focus result (CLT, Scum Sabine, Vennie, Finn, etc) counts as your one modification.

Thanks for the feedback! I'll make a couple of updates based on it.

About adding a focus though...I consider adding a focus to not be modifying a focus, in a similar way that changing a result TO a focus is not modifying a focus result. Adding a focus is modifying your overall dice results, but not the added result itself, of that makes sense.

2 hours ago, Kaptin Krunch said:

Krassis can't use Outmaneuver on a rear arc shot.

46 minutes ago, Ablazoned said:

Yes he can?

This is why I love this question.

8 minutes ago, player2072913 said:

This is why I love this question.

Outmaneuver references the type of attack, not the arc it's coming from. When krassis attacks using a ion cannon from his [rear arc], he's still performing a [front Arc] attack.

Contrast krassis's ability:

You may perform [front Arc] special attacks from your [rear arc]

To the TIE/SF:

You must treat the [front Arc] requirement of your [missile] as [turret].

Just now, Ablazoned said:

Outmaneuver references the type of attack, not the arc it's coming from. When krassis attacks using a ion cannon from his [rear arc], he's still performing a [front Arc] attack.

Contrast krassis's ability:

You may perform [front Arc] special attacks from your [rear arc]

To the TIE/SF:

You must treat the [front Arc] requirement of your [missile] as [turret].

Fwiw, I agree completely

26 minutes ago, Ablazoned said:

Thanks for the feedback! I'll make a couple of updates based on it.

About adding a focus though...I consider adding a focus to not be modifying a focus, in a similar way that changing a result TO a focus is not modifying a focus result. Adding a focus is modifying your overall dice results, but not the added result itself, of that makes sense.

I uhh... disagree? Quoting these for everyone else, I'm sure you're familiar:

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So to make sure I understand your argument, basically because it's not a focus result until after it's modified, it doesn't count as a focus result during the dice modification?

If I have midnight locked, can I use CLT to add a focus result? Pretty clearly no right, even though the dice result isn't there to be modified yet.

Padme is slightly different, because it's not a complete shut down of dice abilities, but the idea that you can add a focus result, which we all agree is a dice modification, then claim to have not modified a focus result seems... incorrect.

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... I couldn't help myself

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13 minutes ago, Brunas said:

Padme is slightly different, because it's not a complete shut down of dice abilities, but the idea that you can add a focus result, which we all agree is a dice modification, then claim to have not modified a focus result seems... incorrect.

My rubric is this: If it starts out as a focus, and something happens to it, you've modified a focus.

Admittedly I have no idea what RAI is. That said, when you add a focus result, it starts as...a "virtual die" or something? Not clear to me. But because it's not changing from a focus, I don't count it as changing the focus.

1 minute ago, Brunas said:

... I couldn't help myself

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I agree that adding a focus is a dice modification, but I don't yet concede that it is modifying a focus result.

26 minutes ago, Ablazoned said:

Outmaneuver references the type of attack, not the arc it's coming from. When krassis attacks using a ion cannon from his [rear arc], he's still performing a [front Arc] attack.

Contrast krassis's ability:

You may perform [front Arc] special attacks from your [rear arc]

To the TIE/SF:

You must treat the [front Arc] requirement of your [missile] as [turret].

Makes sense. I can agree with that.

Unless performing the special front arc attack from a rear arc makes it a special rear arc attack.

Basically, I'm still not gonna be the one to bring it to a local judge :D

I'd get behind adding a focus result not specifically being a focus modification. It'd be 'adding a result' which Padme does not prevent. Not that you could do anything with it if you had another focus result there already....

4 hours ago, theBitterFig said:

The heck you talking about?

29 for Omega Ace, 33 with Advanced Optics, I'd have 6x Init 3 TIE/fos, compared to your 5. To be fair, you get one extra red die at Range 3.

6x Omega Aces with AO is 198. The Fan/AO/AD Longshot & 4x Fan/AO/AD Omegas is 193. Run your calc at -2 Focus or down 1 ship. The 6x Omegas isn't firing first.

3 minutes ago, Ablazoned said:

I agree that adding a focus is a dice modification, but I don't yet concede that it is modifying a focus result.

Haha, it took a few reads but I get what you mean - sorry, don't mean to be a jerk, it's just very difficult to read as something other than "modifying dice is not modifying dice" at first.

That being said, I think the synonym you're drawing isn't comparable. I agree, if CLT said add a die, then change the result to a focus it'd be fine. But, maybe changing the tense helps?

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Obiwan added a focus result

Adding (a specific die result) is a dice modification

Therefore, Obiwan must have modified a focus result

Adding a focus result isn't modifying an [eyeball] result. It's modifying the number of dice results. Really weird argument, @Brunas.

As @Cuz05 pointed out, you're not doing anything good for yourself if there's already a focus in the pool of results, though.

(Padme is not worth her points (barring possible additions like Juke ... maybe). People have a vastly inflated idea of how often people roll more than one [eyeball].)

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8 minutes ago, Brunas said:

Haha, it took a few reads but I get what you mean - sorry, don't mean to be a jerk, it's just very difficult to read as something other than "modifying dice is not modifying dice" at first.

That being said, I think the synonym you're drawing isn't comparable. I agree, if CLT said add a die, then change the result to a focus it'd be fine. But, maybe changing the tense helps?

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Obiwan added a focus result

Adding (a specific die result) is a dice modification

Therefore, Obiwan must have modified a focus result

In my framework, something doesn't count as a "dice result" until it's in your pool in the first place. So I can't take a "focus result" and add it to my pool because it's not a "focus result" until it's in my pool. Once it's added, it becomes a "result", but not before.

But oh **** CLT says "add a focus result". Okay I guess I have to be on board now?

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7 minutes ago, Jeff Wilder said:

(Padme is not worth her points (barring possible additions like Juke ... maybe). People have a vastly inflated idea of how often people roll more than one [eyeball].)

She's the Brilliant Evasion of pilots.

6 minutes ago, Jeff Wilder said:

People have a vastly inflated idea of how often people roll more than one [eyeball]

Yes and no, she's in a faction full of things to force the issue (juke, luminara)