8 minutes ago, Transmogrifier said:

STANDARDIZED
Some upgrade cards have the standardized restriction. During squad building, if a player selects a ship with a standardized card equipped, each ship of that ship type (i.e., full ship name) in that player's squad must be equipped with a copy of that standardized card.

Interesting!

Standardize Afterburners!

Ah. Got excited at the thought of Imp aces with all or none and glossed over important details.

Make it a thing anyway. I'm in.

2 hours ago, catachanninja said:

my thing about the latt was, it's a gunship/transport ship, what the heck is it going to do in my dog fighting game.

Calling it now, a later wave will include landspeeders.

Standardized probably won’t quite do what I want with drones, because it’ll mean you can’t take some with discords and some without. All ships with that name that take that thing must be identical, so you can’t mix and match munitions AND use whatever makes them standard. That means mixed munitions will probably still have piecemeal struts.

I still just want configurations free and base costs up to match.

edit: I’m wrong, see below!

2 minutes ago, Cuz05 said:

Interesting!

Standardize Afterburners!

I’m pretty sure “standardize” is another route to buff generics, right? The identical name thing means it will be an irrelevant keyword on single limited pilots?

point: I am on board with this.

40 minutes ago, Transmogrifier said:

STANDARDIZED
Some upgrade cards have the standardized restriction. During squad building, if a player selects a ship with a standardized card equipped, each ship of that ship type (i.e., full ship name) in that player's squad must be equipped with a copy of that standardized card.

33 minutes ago, AEIllingworth said:

Standardized probably won’t quite do what I want with drones, because it’ll mean you can’t take some with discords and some without. All ships with that name that take that thing must be identical, so you can’t mix and match munitions AND use whatever makes them standard. That means mixed munitions will probably still have piecemeal struts.

Standarized struts don't dictate anything about your missiles

30 minutes ago, AEIllingworth said:

I’m pretty sure “standardize” is another route to buff generics, right? The identical name thing means it will be an irrelevant keyword on single limited pilots?

point: I am on board with this.

I like the design space in principle but haven’t worked my head around what that would look like in practice. I guess it’s not going to come in a Phoenix cell pack, but maybe the Imperial pack could include something?

22 minutes ago, jagsba said:

Standarized struts don't dictate anything about your missiles

I read the rules reference wrong! This is exactly what I want, I think. If struts gets the standardized keyword, all “trade federation drone”s take it or none of them do, right?

I was thinking the keyword was on the pilot, and the full loadout had to match.

edit: I’m wrong again! See below again, and maybe I should re-think posting on the internet.

4 minutes ago, AEIllingworth said:

I read the rules reference wrong! This is exactly what I want, I think. If struts gets the standardized keyword, all “trade federation drone”s take it or none of them do, right?

I was thinking the keyword was on the pilot, and the full loadout had to match.

Nah, it's ship name, so all Vulture Droids if struts got it

39 minutes ago, MasterShake2 said:

Nah, it's ship name, so all Vulture Droids if struts got it

How the eff do you price something like this? My mind reels.

4 minutes ago, PaulRuddSays said:

How the eff do you price something like this? My mind reels.

badly

It's basically just like saying "if one of your Vulture Droids takes struts, they all have to" - the pricing is still the same process as for any other upgrade, it's just a way of forcing people to not create confusing game states to track. For example, they could do an upgrade that changes TIE/ln Fighter dials, but if they did that it would be miserable to fly against a swarm where half the ships have it and half don't. This solves that problem. You can certainly get weird in this design space if you want to, but I can't imagine it makes sense for people to run this sort of upgrade unless it's a "fix" or "variant" situation where you are changing the nature of how the ship performs.

13 hours ago, MasterShake2 said:

badly

This is also my take.

13 hours ago, Transmogrifier said:

It's basically just like saying "if one of your Vulture Droids takes struts, they all have to" - the pricing is still the same process as for any other upgrade, it's just a way of forcing people to not create confusing game states to track. For example, they could do an upgrade that changes TIE/ln Fighter dials, but if they did that it would be miserable to fly against a swarm where half the ships have it and half don't. This solves that problem. You can certainly get weird in this design space if you want to, but I can't imagine it makes sense for people to run this sort of upgrade unless it's a "fix" or "variant" situation where you are changing the nature of how the ship performs.

My struggle is that I can only imagine Standardized working if it’s only for non-limited ships, otherwise you put it on Poe or Soontir or Vader etc. And mechanically, since it’s limited per ship pilot, you could still have the mixed swarm you described above by picking different initiative pilots. I really need to see what they’re thinking about here to comment intelligently on it.

Also I noticed in the RR update last night that thermal dets roll one dice and strain on focus results (dmg on dmg results). Dank.

1 hour ago, PaulRuddSays said:

This is also my take.

My struggle is that I can only imagine Standardized working if it’s only for non-limited ships, otherwise you put it on Poe or Soontir or Vader etc. And mechanically, since it’s limited per ship pilot, you could still have the mixed swarm you described above by picking different initiative pilots. I really need to see what they’re thinking about here to comment intelligently on it.

Also I noticed in the RR update last night that thermal dets roll one dice and strain on focus results (dmg on dmg results). Dank.

You're mixing up Ship Type (e.g. "TIE Interceptor") with Pilot Name (e.g. "Alpha Squadron Pilot") - Standardized affects all ships with the same Ship Type in a squad, not merely the same Pilot Name.

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STANDARDIZED

Some upgrade cards have the standardized restriction. During squad building, if a player selects a ship with a standardized card equipped, each ship of that ship type (i.e., full ship name) in that player's squad must be equipped with a copy of that standardized card.

1 hour ago, Transmogrifier said:

You're mixing up Ship Type (e.g. "TIE Interceptor") with Pilot Name (e.g. "Alpha Squadron Pilot") - Standardized affects all ships with the same Ship Type in a squad, not merely the same Pilot Name.

YOU CAN'T MAKE ME READ

2 hours ago, jagsba said:

YOU CAN'T MAKE ME READ

I hear there are podcasts out there that read to you

You just read this.

Hear me out: standardize 7B and CLT? Maybe that would help the pricing issues of 7B? I've got very little justification for this other than "might be a neat idea IDK"

28 minutes ago, Npmartian said:

Hear me out: standardize 7B and CLT? Maybe that would help the pricing issues of 7B? I've got very little justification for this other than "might be a neat idea IDK"

what if the prices on 7B and CLT as they currently stand are good, though

what if 7B's "pricing issues" are actually the great firewall that keeps the game from going back to the **** of wave 4

1 hour ago, Npmartian said:

Hear me out: standardize 7B and CLT? Maybe that would help the pricing issues of 7B? I've got very little justification for this other than "might be a neat idea IDK"

Is CLT and 7B mixing an issue? Like, I can think of maybe a list or two where it happened, but mostly it's been one or the other. I don't think it'd really change anything, or allow cuts or such.

Just now, theBitterFig said:

Is CLT and 7B mixing an issue? Like, I can think of maybe a list or two where it happened, but mostly it's been one or the other. I don't think it'd really change anything, or allow cuts or such.

41 minutes ago, svelok said:

what if the prices on 7B and CLT as they currently stand are good, though

what if 7B's "pricing issues" are actually the great firewall that keeps the game from going back to the **** of wave 4

CLT is good as is, 7B just feels really expensive, and for good reason too-I wasn't a huge fan of wave 4 either. I just wondered if there's some timeline where 7B can be more cheaply costed if everyone has to take it, based on a gut feeling that has no basis in fact.

Look, I'll freely admit I've got no idea what I'm doing and am probably wrong.

2 minutes ago, Npmartian said:

CLT is good as is, 7B just feels really expensive, and for good reason too-I wasn't a huge fan of wave 4 either. I just wondered if there's some timeline where 7B can be more cheaply costed if everyone has to take it, based on a gut feeling that has no basis in fact.

Look, I'll freely admit I've got no idea what I'm doing and am probably wrong.

I think we'd just wind up seeing stuff like 7B Anakin + ETA + whatever, or 7B Obi + 7B Mace + Ric or ETA. It'd most wind up just being a straight buff to 7B while barely limiting listbuilding. Heck, the strong old 7B Obi + 2-3 ARC + 0-1 Y-Wing just gets better.

I keep thinking about 4 Sienar-Jaemus Analyst Silencers with Automated Target Protocols. I know it wouldn't really be a busted list, but it gives me the feeling of the old card cheat of playing Poker with 10 cards. "I'm going to give you every chance to win, every decision will be yours."

16 minutes ago, theBitterFig said:

I think we'd just wind up seeing stuff like 7B Anakin + ETA + whatever, or 7B Obi + 7B Mace + Ric or ETA. It'd most wind up just being a straight buff to 7B while barely limiting listbuilding. Heck, the strong old 7B Obi + 2-3 ARC + 0-1 Y-Wing just gets better.

Hey, that's probably true. I just can't help but feel like there's some solution to 7B pricing other than "let's make this really expensive so that you just take CLT instead." Also, I was just thinking of configs that could become standardized and 7B stood out as an odd one.

7 minutes ago, Npmartian said:

Hey, that's probably true. I just can't help but feel like there's some solution to 7B pricing other than "let's make this really expensive so that you just take CLT instead." Also, I was just thinking of configs that could become standardized and 7B stood out as an odd one.

Yeah, doesn't seem like an unworthy attempt, but when it comes to the Jedi, Island-Luke is usually correct:

3 minutes ago, theBitterFig said:

mfw i think i can win the joust