Has anyone.played the Mario 3D All Stars collection? I've played the games 100% on their respective systems, but IDK if $60 USD is worth it for re-ports just to play in handheld.

I expect things would be less unreasonable if we were still having our social fun time with plastic ships. Cutting through the memes for a second, I’m sure many agree. Online play is not the same thing. You get the game, the numbers, but the social aspect is different. This is the reason I don’t play. Not because of extended, Nantex, whatever...

Time to “forget” my password again for another few months.

If anyone chose "Option A: Maintain Craig Energy" and wants to keep talking X-Wing while chewing on a mix of both the Red & Blue pills from "Option D" here are some suggested topics.

• Hyperspace Matchup Tactics & Strategy. Clicking on this thread looking for coherent Extended meta talk that goes beyond memes is sorta like ordering steak at McDonalds.
• Aces High Alternate Game Modes ( Based on Halo Multi-Player options ). Covid has genuinely highlighted how Aces High is possibly the best thing that ever happened to X-Wing in terms of community building.
• Wave 7 & Wave 8 Pre-Test Results, Tactics, and Speculation ( Every ship in both waves is comically entertaining / interesting to test ). There so many layers I am still not done reading the LAAT spoiler article. Planning to test New Poe with big boosts soon.
• Lastly I am always looking for ways to make this better or more useful ( I have another 50 games to sift through...but lost the will to win once I subtracted the Standard Deviation )
  • Legend:
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  • Example Game:
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  • It is substantially more interesting than just staring at Tournament Win, Cut, and Matchup rates until your eyes bleed. Trick is finding In Game Stats that are not impossibly difficult to collect when reviewing Vassal Logs or Stream recordings.
  • Example Archetype Detail :
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5 hours ago, Revanur said:

What I would like to know from the players that are still saying Nantex are fine and these numbers at the GSP events don't matter. How would you have reacted if Imperial Aces or Republic High Orange Jedi would have put up the same performance during these events?

I mean, tbf, that sounds exactly like last season’s.

so, generaly, we just note that they’re overpowered. We generaly don’t call for emergency points adjustments, is all.

@Brunas also noted the vultures’ win rate last season as well.

17 hours ago, Brunas said:

I think the best way to measure the "average initiative" of a list is points spent per initiative.

E.g. for 3 zealous recruits + fenn, you have:

41 x 3 points spent on i1 pilots

68 points spent on i6 pilots

i have this for historical stuff, eg, this is july 2019 - jan 2020

• Bid: 1%
• i0: 0%
• i1: 8%
• i2: 15%
• i3: 18%
• i4: 15%
• i5: 27%
• i6: 16%

at the first two space slams, the change compared that was

• i0: -
• i1: +7%
• i2: -8%
• i3: -8%
• i4: +7%
• i5: +3%
• i6: -3%

12 hours ago, gennataos said:

I think, in general, a lot of the folks in this thread are:

1. Cowards
2. Not playing the game
3. Don't know what they're talking about

I’m in camps 2 and 3 for sure. I only remember being able to play once since Fort Worth SOS (COVID + newborn), and I’m the very average player where 4-2 is a good day and 3-3 is the norm. I wasn’t convinced that Nantex were a problem because I can imagine several counters (eg games I’ve seen online have very questionable obstacle placement), but I think it’s pretty clear they’re legitimately problematic by now. I’d support a hotfix update in this week’s points, although I won’t pretend to know how much they would need to go up. (Probably not 8, though.)

Lots of online communities got surprisingly hostile / toxic this year, which I’ve found inexplicable.

Probably because of the high representation of camps #2 and #3, and when asked to offer some proof for claims, they morph into camp #1.

5 minutes ago, Hoarder of Garlic Bread said:

Probably because of the high representation of camps #2 and #3, and when asked to offer some proof for claims, they morph into camp #1.

When in doubt, I assume the best interpretation of what people say online.

Relatedly, I may also not understand what ‘coward’ means here.

edit: my default assumption is that we’re all in camps 2-3 unless I have indications otherwise.

58 minutes ago, svelok said:

i have this for historical stuff, eg, this is july 2019 - jan 2020

• Bid: 1%
• i0: 0%
• i1: 8%
• i2: 15%
• i3: 18%
• i4: 15%
• i5: 27%
• i6: 16%

at the first two space slams, the change compared that was

• i0: -
• i1: +7%
• i2: -8%
• i3: -8%
• i4: +7%
• i5: +3%
• i6: -3%

Still not sure why Empire Aces got abandoned so dramatically from GSP#1 to GSP#3. Wonder if that will change with the next one.

GSP #1:

GSP #3:

On second thoughts, I’m not even going to try and have a rational conversation with you.

1 hour ago, Tlfj200 said:

I mean, tbf, that sounds exactly like last season’s.

so, generaly, we just note that they’re overpowered. We generaly don’t call for emergency points adjustments, is all.

@Brunas also noted the vultures’ win rate last season as well.

Neither am I calling for an emergency points adjustment. I would like to see them reined back in a bit with the next scheduled point update though. Just as Vultures and Whisper also got a nerf after last season.

But it just baffled me that some of the biggest complainers about aces being to good, are fine with a list like Nantex performing even better then aces do on average.

1 hour ago, Boom Owl said:

Still not sure why Empire Aces got abandoned so dramatically from GSP#1 to GSP#3.

Possibly people who would take the winningest Imp aces took the winningest bugs instead.

Or took something they thought would be less chancy against the bugs.

I mean, I'm not saying the bugs warped the meta a bit.

But the bugs might have warped the meta a bit.

26 minutes ago, Revanur said:

Neither am I calling for an emergency points adjustment. I would like to see them reined back in a bit with the next scheduled point update though. Just as Vultures and Whisper also got a nerf after last season.

But it just baffled me that some of the biggest complainers about aces being to good, are fine with a list like Nantex performing even better then aces do on average.

I mean, im not.

I am just surprised at the amount of mad places at the feet of bugs versus aces, mostly.

also, a lot of the core nantex stuff people hate seems to be core swarm stuff (again, not all of it, obviously), and I’m just starting to suspect people really do hate swarms.

lastly, and this is truly important - I think it’s 100% okay to hate swarms.

5 hours ago, GreenDragoon said:

From my point of view, you harbor a few rotten apples and while they haven't spoiled the bunch, they make it harder to justify remaining a part of and interacting with certain communities. So in that sense, they unfortunately do spoil the bunch. The one thing that brought me close to deleting/trashing everything and move on entirely are people like Jagsba. Their actions have consequences. The meta was never the problem, and it still isn't. It is a mirror that shows us how healthy the community at large and in small bits really is.

Whether you like it or not, you stand for "the Krayts", more than anyone else. And while you have my utmost respect and gratitude for the things you did and do, you also have to realize that you carry responsibility for those under that mantle. Because there, you do have power.

For my part, I regret that it went as far. We could probably talk it out - which was by the way the intention - but I am giving up. On more people than I want to.

Realized reading and realized it sounded like I was calling you out specifically for that - it was not my intent, apologies. It was just meant as an example of the series of escalations I've seen back and forth (and not just between you two).

As for a responsibility to clean things up, I agree in spirit, but I don't think I have the powers you're looking for. I've asked the related people that aren't worth calling or specifically to chill, a few times. It sounds like people taken to each other outside of this to try and smooth things over? I hope that's the case.

Wow, @gennataos got spicy last night. I love you, bro.

Weighing in, I happy that folks are advocating cooler heads, but I also share Gennataos' sentiment in that we don't want NPE lists on top with folks defending the lists, saying they are fine. It was before my time, but I've met plenty of folks that left the game because of the Jumpmaster meta. I really don't want something like this and the atmosphere that it generates to push folks out of the game. There is an end in sight in November, so at least we have that going for us.

2 hours ago, 5050Saint said:

Wow, @gennataos got spicy last night. I love you, bro.

Weighing in, I happy that folks are advocating cooler heads, but I also share Gennataos' sentiment in that we don't want NPE lists on top with folks defending the lists, saying they are fine. It was before my time, but I've met plenty of folks that left the game because of the Jumpmaster meta. I really don't want something like this and the atmosphere that it generates to push folks out of the game. There is an end in sight in November, so at least we have that going for us.

The jump master meta lasted over a year, and erratas were haphazard, and we never knew when they were coming.

Since 2.0, we know points can be adjusted, and FFG told us when they’re adjusted. It’s a really big difference.

it still sucks when you’re in a season you hate (I’ve already been there), but at least you know the length you have to wait, and that there’s an end, unlike 1.0.

that’s what I was trying to get at before.

So why not just ban the list or chassis or whatever? These events aren't official anyway, so if everyone's just miserable get rid of it.

I’d happily ban CIS.

1 minute ago, Stay OT Leader said:

I’d happily ban CIS.

Why?

The faction is not enough of a NPE that we need to kill it off for the small percentage of players that regularly play it, outside of six nantex in its dominant form.

The faction has been poorly designed from the get go and produced problem after problem - Hatepatine, Ensnare, Sun Fac, Munition droids swarms, Sear Swarm, SPAMTEX. There’s nothing wholesome in there, get rid.

Fire Bill O'Brien

It's not genocide if it's bugs.

3 hours ago, Chumbalaya said:

So why not just ban the list or chassis or whatever? These events aren't official anyway, so if everyone's just miserable get rid of it.

The core problem with that idea, as straightforward as it seems, is that extended is not a balanced format. Get rid of Spamtex, and something else will rise to fill that vacuum, even if it's not on the same power level as spamtex, it will be equally oppressive. You will have very few in the "At least it's not spamtex" camp, and the majority will start another dumpster fire. Then either one of two things happen:

A) You continue to ban out all the oppressive things until you have a format that looks like shoddy hyperspace.

B) You accept that the current level of broken is acceptable for the game and people should just get over it. Some people will not get over it and call you a hypocrite for not running "pure" extended because that's what they signed up for.

I really don't like either of these outcomes. So I don't think banning Spamtex really solves anything except sending players back to the drawing board for an event or 2. I think the viable solution would be to switch to hyperspace format.

10 hours ago, PaulRuddSays said:

When in doubt, I assume the best interpretation of what people say online.

Relatedly, I may also not understand what ‘coward’ means here.

edit: my default assumption is that we’re all in camps 2-3 unless I have indications otherwise.

I agree about none of us knowing what we're talking about. But saying "just do X, EZ" without giving an example of playing and doing well seems...cheap.

Just kill Fenn first and then the Ghost! Why is everyone complaining? I headsimmed the game and I won! Let's move along!

One note on bans: it's a lot easier in online play, IMHO. There's no physical models, nothing real, nothing people have spend their money on. It's a harder ask to ban stuff when you're asking players to put aside what they've invested in.