1 hour ago, gamblertuba said:

Thane's an I5 X-Wing for a bargain-ish price. That's not nothing. I did pretty well in a Tourney taking Han with Engine Upgrade, K2, and Nien Crew with Thane, and Gina. Thane did some work in that squad. Having Han rolling and rerolling buckets of dice sure helped. For a last minute throw together, it did really well. But Gina is trash. You wanna pick on an I5 Rebel that ain't worth the points, pick on Gina.

Edit for clarity cuz ninjas.

Okay, in a Vacuum, sure Gina is not good. She is heavily dependent on wingmates. But give her the right ones and she is surprisingly decent. (Basically Ten/Braylen/Anything with Ezra Gunner. Maybe Porkins if you really want to.) being able to focus + Roll Every turn that you need to is actually really nice, especially when your wingman can make use of the stress.

Do the right wingmates make her transform from useless to fun?

Yes

Does that make her competitive?
Ehhh, No.

unless rebel beef returns, maybe there’s a variant that wants to sub her for Braylen or Ten. (Although rebel beef shouldn’t be making a return to it’s pre-nerf days).

2 hours ago, Boom Owl said:

He is still really strong.

Part of why I like running Vader in Hyperspace so much is that he badly needs to "approach" combat correctly to get to act like an Ace.

He can't just make it up as he goes or zoom zoom pew pew like I normally would with Precog FCS Burners.

He also doesn't have to just thonk joust though he certainly is equipped to do that with just FCS and nothing else.

At 69 pts he is legitimately interesting.

Like other Aces in the 69 pt sweet spot point range.

Such as Poe and Fenn Rau.

1 hour ago, Boom Owl said:

62 is fine for Luke. Vader could probably be 69 pts base before FCS.

1 hour ago, Tlfj200 said:

Nice

Nice

4 hours ago, catachanninja said:

nope

Fair enough. I'm still kind of a fan of the fun factor of the Big Reveal, but I concede it's probably not a reliable enough payoff to matter in a competitive tourney mix.

1 hour ago, Bucknife said:

But he blew up the Death Star...

Yeah, but that result isn't on Listfortress.

So, as far as we know, it's only anecdotal.

*Some of this might be wrong...

More Nantexes at Concord Dawn (124) than there are total players (122). Make of that what you will.

1 minute ago, gamblertuba said:

More Nantexes at Concord Dawn (124) than there are total players (122). Make of that what you will.

And no triple aces, from what I understand.

I'm making something of it, all right.

7 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:

And no triple aces, from what I understand.

I'm making something of it, all right.

Closest thing to a "real" trip ace list is this I guess?

Obi-Wan Kenobi Delta-7 Aethersprite (84)
Sense + R2 Astromech + Delta-7B

Anakin Skywalker Naboo Royal N-1 Starghter (63)
Passive Sensors + R2 Astromech + Proton Torpedoes

Plo Koon Delta-7 Aethersprite (53)
R5 Astromech + Calibrated Laser Targeting

Lots of Rey, Boba, Dash, couple Trip FO Aces, Iggys, and other random stuff. I might have missed something.

Just now, Boom Owl said:

Closest thing to a "real" trip ace list is this I guess?

Obi-Wan Kenobi Delta-7 Aethersprite (84)
Sense + R2 Astromech + Delta-7B

Anakin Skywalker Naboo Royal N-1 Starghter (63)
Passive Sensors + R2 Astromech + Proton Torpedoes

Plo Koon Delta-7 Aethersprite (53)
R5 Astromech + Calibrated Laser Targeting

Lots of Rey, Boba, Dash, couple Trip FO Aces, Iggys, and other random stuff.

I'm sure spamming medium and large bases will work.

How couldn't it?

There are a fair number of lists that look like attempts to counter bugs. Very interested to see how it shakes out. Lots of all init 5 high damage output lists.

Vader, Soontir, Tomax, and Scourge. That's close?

2 Soontir, 1 Echo, no Whisper.

Just now, gamblertuba said:

There are a fair number of lists that look like attempts to counter bugs. Very interested to see how it shakes out. Lots of all init 5 high damage output lists.

Vader, Soontir, Tomax, and Scourge. That's close?

We'll see. I don't believe in Tomax and scourge, but I could be wrong.

1 minute ago, gamblertuba said:

There are a fair number of lists that look like attempts to counter bugs. Very interested to see how it shakes out. Lots of all init 5 high damage output lists.

Vader, Soontir, Tomax, and Scourge. That's close?

2 Soontir, 1 Echo, no Whisper.

No whisper still blows my mind.

8 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:

We'll see. I don't believe in Tomax and scourge, but I could be wrong.

No whisper still blows my mind.

I wasn't saying the Soontir, Vader, Scourge, Tomax list was a good bug counter but it's as close to an old school Imperial Ace list as I could find.

1 minute ago, gamblertuba said:

I wasn't saying the Soontir, Vader, Scourge, Tomax list was a good bug counter but it's as close to an old school Imperial Ace list as I could find.

I know you weren't/were, respectively.

It's just odd people will like... sorta commit. But the way x-wing is, even 2 aces + 2 is rarely better than 3 full aces.

The one time that wasn't true was Anakin + Obi 2x Torrent, and honestly? We were probably wrong and there was some 3x ace list we all missed back then (that list was discovered really late before a points update)

I just hope you all realize how insane 17% of field is. It wasn't reached in 1.0, and it is especially crazy now that we have 4 more factions.

The other thing to say is that, from my perspective, there is a large overlap between you guys (you know who you are) thinking "Nantex are fine, I hope they'll do well" and "large orange and purple are the enemy". Funny how more nantex pushed the field towards more large orange. (and towards more large base while we're at it)

edit: I just went through the 24 rebel players, those are the initiatives

• 556
• 55
• 1556
• 566
• 3x 555
• 56
• 3x 45
• 3x 456
• 156
• 455
• 25 (Chopper Dash)
• 1345
• 446
• 444
• 1356
• 34455
• 2x Wookies

That's an average of 4.13

Is that a good development in response to Spamtex?

edit: For the really slow ones: this right here is a quick glance over lists of one faction. That is not a full analysis of initiatives during a meta, or for an event. It does demonstrate that 24 rebel players thought it was a good idea to bring a lot of high initiative ships.

3 hours ago, Tlfj200 said:

I know you weren't/were, respectively.

It's just odd people will like... sorta commit. But the way x-wing is, even 2 aces + 2 is rarely better than 3 full aces.

The one time that wasn't true was Anakin + Obi 2x Torrent, and honestly? We were probably wrong and there was some 3x ace list we all missed back then (that list was discovered really late before a points update)

The 2x2 meta was interesting because I was briefly excited that 2 generics might be a better choice than just another big orange/purple/words

2 hours ago, GreenDragoon said:

you guys (you know who you are) thinking "Nantex are fine, I hope they'll do well"

Literally no one has said this.

The closest was “I haven’t played against them, but their streamed games everyone just opted in and it isn’t really conclusive enough”

All problems for the game are related. Too cheap orange and purple is what caused these Nantex to get such a price drop in the first place.

I still say everything is fine, (not Nantex, the game) because we are going to have another points adjustment before I have a realistic chance of playing in person again. It’s more likely that two points changes happen before I play in a store again than I get to do so before January. It’s fine, we can prove how dumb the cost is online and panic about whatever is cheap next time.

38 minutes ago, AEIllingworth said:

Literally no one has said this.

O rly?

Nantex are fine, I hope they’ll do well.

space world jam 3

Baseline cutrate: 12%

5 Gary-ies 100% (cutrate)
Sloane 50%
Wookies 50%
Cartel Spacers 50%
Quickdraw 33%
Nantex 27%
Boba 25%
Rey 14%

Rebels 4% (cutrate)
Empire 15%
Scum 13%
First Order 6%
Resistance 9%
Republic 25%
Separatist 22%

66% of field 4 ships or fewer
Average ship count 4.05

Zizi 91% of faction
Petrace 81% of faction
Obi-wan 67% of faction
Plo 67% of faction
Rey 64% of faction

cant do totals across all 3 space galaxy slams until this one's in listfortress for disinteresting technical reasons

32 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

Nantex are fine, I hope they’ll do well.

Are you also fine with the consequence of more large orange and purple?

1 hour ago, Boom Owl said:

Nantex are fine, I hope they’ll do well.

Same

2 hours ago, GreenDragoon said:

team

Some people just want to watch the world burn.

26 minutes ago, gamblertuba said:

Some people just want to watch the world burn.

It's now more about refining the ignore list

42 minutes ago, gamblertuba said:

Some people just want to watch the world burn.

Just Extended, actually.

To whoever is looking at the events, how many hera attack shuttles and or ghosts?