2 hours ago, jagsba said:

We keep talking about ace on swarm crimes but why aren't we mentioning swarm on swarm crime?

Oh! Yay! This is mostly why I'm mad at Nantex. Moreso Ace + squad, but yeah, this.

Also, we've awoken @Brunas from his deep slumber and may regret it.

a list hall of fame with price point during different metas would be cool

"And here we see the infamous squad of legend. Can you imagine, young whippersnapper, that it was only 192points? TrajSim remembers!"

15 minutes ago, Ablazoned said:

Rexler here be like

I'll give it to you, but it's not a hill I'd die on.

4 minutes ago, Cuz05 said:

AS Redline >>> not AS Redline. Clearly you can remove it and he still does a thing, but it isn't a ridiculous BS thing.

Good. I'm not completely crazy.

3 minutes ago, jagsba said:

AdvS would be good on any pilot that can take it. Actions before red moves, premovement reposition, and block mitigation are all very strong.

Paul literally won a world's off the back of advS b wings

That AdSens was equivalent to 6 points in 2nd Edition and allow more than one action. This AdSens is a completely different beast.

3 minutes ago, Brunas said:

I'm attempting to not be condescending so don't take the wrong tone as it's not my intent. The two statements I made are identical - one is just inverted to hopefully be more understandable. GreenDragoon phrased it better:

I did not take you as condescending, but my brain got lost in what you were saying. To @GreenDragoon's point though, Triple Aces aren't exactly triple aces when you add a fourth ship.

5 minutes ago, Brunas said:

Because of the reasons above, "sacrificing something" is a meaningless statement.

I hope you don't find me duplicitous when I say, "agreed". It's why I was saying that "I know my definitions are wishy-washy and subject to opinion." It doesn't really help the discussion. But I think it lands in the same realm of saying something is good or bad for the game.

11 minutes ago, Brunas said:

Am I explaining this badly, or are people having trouble engaging with a hypothetical?

I didn't realize it was hypothetical which I suppose is my bad. We are not communicating well with each other. Perhaps we should take a break.

1 minute ago, 5050Saint said:

To @GreenDragoon's point though, Triple Aces aren't exactly triple aces when you add a fourth ship.

haha touché

Though it's only triple aces because that's all we can afford. It would be quad aces if you could have Vader, Soontir, Whisper and GI. Penta with Duchess. Add Rexler for funsies.

1 minute ago, GreenDragoon said:

haha touché

Though it's only triple aces because that's all we can afford. It would be quad aces if you could have Vader, Soontir, Whisper and GI. Penta with Duchess. Add Rexler for funsies.

Which seems neat until you look across the table at 15 Y-Wings with dorsal and bombs.

I did not math, but Epic says hi.

how do i delete a thread someone else made

1 minute ago, Brunas said:

how do i delete a thread someone else made

Go into it and bring in a sock puppet to discuss QAnon.

Just now, Jeff Wilder said:

Go into it and bring in a sock puppet to discuss QAnon.

...that sounds like it would work

17 minutes ago, Brunas said:

how do i delete a thread someone else made

The last jedi was a good movie that took Lukes character in an interesting direction

14 minutes ago, Brunas said:

how do i delete a thread someone else made

Look at you, Krayt trying to ruin another thing.

please save us

Real talk, IMO, when you and @Tlfj200 come in, you do provide a ...leveling?, not going to say calming....influence. You might say some bull, but it's generally backed up by reasons, instead of just dropping the bull and giggling.

NOTE! The forum autocorrects "bullsh*t" into "bull", which is really funny and kind of cool.

1 hour ago, Mattman7306 said:

You're welcome? Idk what I did

Blade Runner

51 minutes ago, PigglesMcgiggles said:

Hey guys, what's going on? This is a really long thread!

Xbox Series S is a Switch Killer

4 minutes ago, jagsba said:

The last jedi was a good movie that took Lukes character in an interesting direction

Correct

Also, re: Adv. Sens on low init things: The action restriction change from 1.0 to 2.0 doesn't mean much since low init things could only ever one action for most of 1.0 It would still be solid on low init stuff if it was only 6 points, but I'm not sure I want it to be because blocking is a neat mechanic.

Also, taking a B-wing with passive and the new cannon is a trap. Don't do it.

2 minutes ago, Do I need a Username said:

Also, taking a B-wing with passive and the new cannon is a trap. Don't do it.

I agree

I feel I should clarify: It's a trap no matter what your trying to do, it's not a good plan. Double tapping is already mostly bad (although dank in aces high), and this cannon doesn't fix that. Chasing the ability with a calc is just spending points to not modify your attack and kinda be wedge I guess? And we all know how good wedge is.

Furthermore, new cannon ability should never be chased at the expense of reducing damage. +1 hit is always better than -1 die. Holding calc for defense is fine I guess, but holding for effect is bad, don't do it.

54 minutes ago, jagsba said:

Don't compare points. Only insanity lies in that direction

Why is Poe 12 points more than Wedge? 12!

1 + 2 = 3!

It all connects!

15 minutes ago, Do I need a Username said:

Correct

Arson is more fun when you're right about doing it.

15 minutes ago, Do I need a Username said:

Also, re: Adv. Sens on low init things: The action restriction change from 1.0 to 2.0 doesn't mean much since low init things could only ever one action for most of 1.0 It would still be solid on low init stuff if it was only 6 points, but I'm not sure I want it to be because blocking is a neat mechanic.

Paul used it mostly to focus before he k turned. Watching him use it was kinda neat but overall its a weird card thats kinda cool of you move first and some level of stupid if you move second.

15 minutes ago, Do I need a Username said:

1 hour ago, gennataos said:

Look at you, Krayt trying to ruin another thing.

please save us

Real talk, IMO, when you and @Tlfj200 come in, you do provide a ...leveling?, not going to say calming....influence. You might say some bull, but it's generally backed up by reasons, instead of just dropping the bull and giggling.

it turns out the forums have a reverse leveling/calming influence on me

1 hour ago, jagsba said:

Arson is more fun when you're right about doing it.

Paul used it mostly to focus before he k turned. Watching him use it was kinda neat but overall its a weird card thats kinda cool of you move first and some level of stupid if you move second.

just errata it to say you can't do actions that move or coordinate, free us from this pain

1 hour ago, Brunas said:

how do i delete a thread someone else made

It's pretty easy to do, although you will have to tell them how you're built...

8 minutes ago, Brunas said:

just errata it to say you can't do actions that move or coordinate, free us from this pain

better, but just band it

2 hours ago, Brunas said:

how do i delete a thread someone else made

I only know one truth, its time for the krayt thread to end

1 minute ago, Mattman7306 said:

I only know one truth, its time for the krayt thread to end

It's for the best.

What if we had some way to filter out the problems... there's gotta be something we can build... I can't seem to find the word...

So we have precious few pictures to look at when analyzing Nantexans matchups, but I'll take what I can get.

We have this instant classic. Nantexans in an inexplicable honorable box joust and and Redline opting in to death ~2 turns in advance. Note that it's less important where he ends up (we've seen that picture) than how he ends up there. Look at the obstacle placement and see how many potential outs Redline has to avoid the corner joust into a billion bullseyes and inevitable death. He's pot committed and there's no way to avoid it. This isn't a Nantex problem. On top of Redline's positioning, Whisper and Quiz are nowhere near good positions to punish the Nantexans taking the Redline bait. They will have time to clean up Redline and turn in to the other two without much issue. Having bullseyes and tractor tokens and turrets isn't the issue. Crack Shot and the Nantexans are underpriced, but it's only really apparent because they can actually punish this fairly typical lazy ace play.

In a similar vein, we see inexplicable box jousting Nantex taking on some really poorly positioned ships trusting in their passive mods to see them through this most honorable joust. Note again the position of the aces relative to obstacles. Holo is mostly fine. That rock at Kylo's 1 o'clock cuts off your standard 2 forward roll right boost left non-committal ace maneuver that is basically never wrong. Kylo's only options are now overshoot and punt for a turn, turn in (which is probably fine tbh given he'll likely bump one and with Holo can PS-kill another), or basically concede the game by running away leaving Holo to solo 6 and probably die pointlessly, then coming back to 1v5 and blaming his dice when it doesn't work. The highly maneuverable aces should really be using these asteroids to block Nantex moves or entice them to self damage. If Kylo was just a little further back and to his right he could easily 2 bank left in front of the asteroid and get his big brain reposition perfectly based on complete information. Tavson being in the middle of the table also makes no sense given Nantexans can go 7 forward and shoot out of their sides after seeing his final position. He's basically not participating in the game.

Now these are only two examples, but both of them have very similar elements. We have players making mistakes and getting punished for them. There really isn't anything wrong with that, in fact I'm more upset that stuff like this works more often than not. Nantexans are undercosted, sure, but the only crime they've committed here is punishing play mistakes that normally go unpunished.

1 hour ago, Do I need a Username said:

Adv. Sens on low init things: The action restriction change from 1.0 to 2.0 doesn't mean much since low init things could only ever one action for most of 1.0 It would still be solid on low init stuff if it was only 6 points, but I'm not sure I want it to be because blocking is a neat mechanic.

AdSens would be good at 6 points. Too good.