Lieutenant Lehuse's name is pronounced as monosyllabic "ley-uhzz". Many...layers...of jokes to be made.

Announcing "je prendai mon jeton de concentracion, honhonhon!" is such a joy! Almost as much as the fact that you can roll out of bullseye's and still fire with mods. Or that you can still fire "Amas de missiles" after getting Sloaned or bumped thanks to that Targeting Synchronizer! Tres bon! There's also no penalty for spamming the Cluster Missile ability as munition failsafe lets you recant a bad roll. By the same token, another I5 init killing your target isn't the end of your 3 die gun because you can fire clusters at the zombie, failsafe to regenerate a charge, and then fire the second shot nearby.

43 pt. and a friend make this better than expected for the cost, especially with gas clouds.

38 minutes ago, catachanninja said:

im trying to think of a list that was above the power curve that wasnt imperial aces that people weren't mad about in x wing history

As opposed to what list above the powercurve that people weren't about in xwing history?

Grey Ys with Dorsal and Seismic Charges are only...35? Right?

Yes, they'll get PSKilled, but they can afford to take 1 from their own bomb when the other guy only has 4 HP to work with.

I'd say vanilla seismic Ys are genuinely intriguing for the trade up concept alone.

*FFG looks nervously at the "In case of emergency, make Luke Gunner 8pts" button*

Just now, GreenDragoon said:

As opposed to what list above the powercurve that people weren't about in xwing history?

i think you're missing a word, but im gonna try and guess here cuz i could probably elaborate. Palp aces was a really successful archetype for a really long time, when it was not good, people seemed mad at whatever thing that had displaced it, when it was good, was a problem (scouts, dengaroo, miranda, attanni, etc). When second ed launched, whisper redline palp was running around with fully loaded ships and a massive bid, and you can still run the bones of that list without the bid and no ones blinked. Imperial aces spotted the most noble x wing and imperial assault player ever Vader for free and won worlds while basically sitting in arcs and not taking damage and people are pretty fine with it. The rebel beef that was good is like 240 points now, han gunner and tugboats went up a bunch of points, han ship lost all his toys, people raged down the world over sinker swarms and droid swarms. And i'm not saying all those things are fine and balanced (except miranda list, miranda did nothing wrong :P), just noting that the the ire that got throw at them doesn't really show up when imperial aces are lording over everything.

9 minutes ago, catachanninja said:

and no ones blinked.

10 minutes ago, catachanninja said:

and people are pretty fine with it.

10 minutes ago, catachanninja said:

just noting that the the ire that got throw at them doesn't really show up when imperial aces are lording over everything.

Citation needed

Seriously though, that might also be your echo chamber. None of these lists were fine, and I have seen constant (justified!) complaints against imp aces.

4 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

Citation needed

Seriously though, that might also be your echo chamber. None of these lists were fine, and I have seen constant (justified!) complaints against imp aces.

heh @Tlfj200 and I have often noted we seem to overlap with very different populations. Maybe I am the one with the weird sample.

2 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

Citation needed

Seriously though, that might also be your echo chamber. None of these lists were fine, and I have seen constant (justified!) complaints against imp aces.

Sure, but you say Imperial aces with a bid are not particularly fun to play against and operate with perfect information making them excessively easy to play and hard to play against and people are like "git gud" or "l2p scrub"

On 8/24/2020 at 4:47 PM, theBitterFig said:

There's probably a lot of recency bias. Imperial Aces have always been a bit of an issue. But the fact that they've kind of always been too potent means a lot of folks get lazy about it. Don't feel we've got to say "nerf imps" every time, since, dangit, they're still strong. Old news.

Now, I figure a lot of folks who think the Nantex should be watched carefully, maybe go up in price enough to lose talent access, probably are fine with some basic Empire nerfs. Maybe not quite as many as you've typically called for, but still.

Or at least, that's my perspective, and maybe I'm just projecting.

On 9/3/2020 at 1:42 PM, theBitterFig said:

Force Aces are Bad is Old News. Still True. Just Old.

The outrage.

3 minutes ago, MasterShake2 said:

and people are like

Some people say the same about Spamtex. The community is very diverse, you'll always be right with "people say".

The respective lists can all be too strong for their metas.

7 minutes ago, jagsba said:

The outrage.

I mean, if I get a "yes or no: nerf force aces/imperial aces?" I'd say yes.

thanks boom

9 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

Some people say the same about Spamtex. The community is very diverse, you'll always be right with "people say".

The respective lists can all be too strong for their metas.

Kind of...but Imperial aces seem to be strong a lot even after points adjustments

1 minute ago, svelok said:

thanks boom

If @Boom Owl were a representative of the general consensus of people, we would all be better off ❤️

10 minutes ago, MasterShake2 said:

Kind of...but Imperial aces seem to be strong a lot even after points adjustments

Yes, in part because of false equivalence. We keep adjusting the meaning of "imp aces" to include whatever you want. Latest instance is Turr...

39 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

Yes, in part because of false equivalence. We keep adjusting the meaning of "imp aces" to include whatever you want. Latest instance is Turr...

man i have not seen the turr is an imperial ace thread lol

1 minute ago, catachanninja said:

man i have not seen the turr is an imperial ace thread lol

this is the thread 😕

1 minute ago, GreenDragoon said:

this is the thread 😕

just because the words are here, doesn't mean i've seen them

57 minutes ago, catachanninja said:

The rebel beef that was good is like 240 points now, han gunner and tugboats went up a bunch of points, han ship lost all his toys, people raged down the world over sinker swarms and droid swarms. And i'm not saying all those things are fine and balanced (except miranda list, miranda did nothing wrong :P), just noting that the the ire that got throw at them doesn't really show up when imperial aces are lording over everything.

I seem to remember a list called Squad of Legend that folks were pretty up in arms about. It was 183-185 points (depending whether or not you took Crack Shot or Predator). That list after the first points update had a new cost of 199-201, or would have costed that if you could still take Vader crew on Whisper. That list would be 209-11 at present.

Imp Aces are complained about, just less so now because they keep going up in price, justifiably.

2 minutes ago, 5050Saint said:

Imp Aces are complained about, just less so now because they keep going up in price, justifiably.

I mean, Whisper seems to have really been dialed way back. Very few at Dathomir.

I'm trying to imagine a state of the union where power pilots like Vader are so pricy, only the most thug players jam them into a list...and only one + gang and not three altogether...

I don't know.

It just feels like ship racism.

Why should players who enjoy 2/3 acey ships not be allowed to compete?

Not saying there shouldn't be adjustments, but "kill the aces" seems really harsh.

3 minutes ago, Bucknife said:

Why should players who enjoy 2/3 acey ships not be allowed to compete?

Not saying there shouldn't be adjustments, but "kill the aces" seems really harsh.

Is anyone saying that? BoomOwl and svelok will if you give them the chance, but they are known quantities.

6 minutes ago, Bucknife said:

I'm trying to imagine a state of the union where power pilots like Vader are so pricy, only the most thug players jam them into a list...and only one + gang and not three altogether...

I don't know.

It just feels like ship racism.

Why should players who enjoy 2/3 acey ships not be allowed to compete?

Not saying there shouldn't be adjustments, but "kill the aces" seems really harsh.

I think 2-3 acey ships are fine. It should be an option to play. But it probably shouldn't be 3 amazing aces with all the toys. If you've got vader or soontir your other aces should be more subdued. More like sabers or turr than another powerhouse

6 minutes ago, Bucknife said:

I'm trying to imagine a state of the union where power pilots like Vader are so pricy, only the most thug players jam them into a list...and only one + gang and not three altogether...

I don't know.

It just feels like ship racism.

Why should players who enjoy 2/3 acey ships not be allowed to compete?

Not saying there shouldn't be adjustments, but "kill the aces" seems really harsh.

All ships matter

I'll say it, and it's because "oops all aces" leads to a lot of NPEs in competitive play, for both players. It's like how in Legion, you aren't allowed to just have oops all stormtroopers, you have to have a commander and some other stuff in there.

Casual play, sure, fly triple aces, but it shouldn't be a competitive archetype