tl;dr

*opinion invalid* because *thing* is not *arbitrary category with no real definition*

2 minutes ago, Npmartian said:

tl;dr

*opinion invalid* because *thing* is not *arbitrary category with no real definition*

Han is not an ace.

I promise.

6 minutes ago, Bucknife said:

Han is not an ace.

I promise.

He's got a reposition. He is IMPURE!

i actually quite like Han and agree with you dont hurt me

Okay, so serious question.

If my Omega Squadron Ace has Crack Shot and this...

What does my opponent do?

Spend his token or spend his token?

.........edit

Double mind games are fun.

And fite me... I like Juke on my A-Wings. With this ATP. In theory.

6 hours ago, jagsba said:

this doesn't count because aces don't joust.

@Brunas

You see, what gets me is the condescending attitude, the arrogance, the bad faith "discussions".

It looks like they just can't help it - on here, on reddit, on facebook.

So, I have only come here every few weeks.

First, everyone seems WAAAAY more upset than usual, than other metas, even 1.0, and it's been two tournaments.

Secondly, people are asking for others to "prove" things aren't the worst than it's ever been... I'm not sure how that's possible? What sort of proof would that be? How would someone prove that?

Just now, Tlfj200 said:

Secondly, people are asking for others to "prove" things aren't the worst than it's ever been... I'm not sure how that's possible? What sort of proof would that be? How would someone prove that?

I'm quite certain it's actually impossible, given Tragic Genius Nym existed at one point in time.

Spamtex is bad, but it's not "Accept a bomb with bonus damage to the face from range 6 at PS11" kind of bad.

10 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:

So, I have only come here every few weeks.

First, everyone seems WAAAAY more upset than usual, than other metas, even 1.0, and it's been two tournaments.

Secondly, people are asking for others to "prove" things aren't the worst than it's ever been... I'm not sure how that's possible? What sort of proof would that be? How would someone prove that?

Most of the previous metas weren't happening in parallel with the level of oog mental and emotional stress/strain inducing situations that are happening in parallel with this one. Some bleed over should be expected to be fair.

Just now, Hiemfire said:

Most of the previous metas weren't happening in parallel with the level of oog mental and emotional stress/strain inducing situations that are happening in parallel with this one. Some bleed over should be expected to be fair.

Hey... that's actually a pretty good point. Very fair.

7 minutes ago, Hiemfire said:

Most of the previous metas weren't happening in parallel with the level of oog mental and emotional stress/strain inducing situations that are happening in parallel with this one. Some bleed over should be expected to be fair.

Also why arsonists are even worse and more despicable right now

24 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:

First, everyone seems WAAAAY more upset than usual, than other metas, even 1.0, and it's been two tournaments.

You also have to look why people are upset. I wrote two blogposts saying that Spamtex belongs on our watchlist, but that we should wait until November and not jump to conclusions.

That didn't make anyone angry.

Except the arsonists in here who "know" that Nantex is "wholesome" and all you have to do is "not thonkjoust" and that anyway two-day online 25$ tournaments are just full of janklists: @jagsba, @Kyle Ren, @svelok and @Chumbalaya

Looks like they had quite the reach and now people everywhere continue with that toxic attitude of ridiculing any level of concern.

1 hour ago, GreenDragoon said:

@Brunas

You see, what gets me is the condescending attitude, the arrogance, the bad faith "discussions".

It looks like they just can't help it - on here, on reddit, on facebook.

I'm a bit confused, but I only looked at the past page or two - being condescending and arrogant is pretty on brand and what I'd expect though. Maybe the other stuff is more egregious? I'm also not invested in all in any of this, so maybe I'm just missing it as an observer.

6 hours ago, Npmartian said:

Well, I tried googling for kicks and it tried to find "Thong Joust," which is not necessarily what I'm looking for

...it sounds like what I'm looking for though

1 hour ago, GreenDragoon said:

Also why arsonists are even worse and more despicable right now

Sorry. I shouldn't laugh.

But seriously.

People are at a 99 percent stress like... everywhere I look.

1 hour ago, GreenDragoon said:

You also have to look why people are upset. I wrote two blogposts saying that Spamtex belongs on our watchlist, but that we should wait until November and not jump to conclusions.

That didn't make anyone angry.

Except the arsonists in here who "know" that Nantex is "wholesome" and all you have to do is "not thonkjoust" and that anyway two-day online 25$ tournaments are just full of janklists: @jagsba, @Kyle Ren, @svelok and @Chumbalaya

Looks like they had quite the reach and now people everywhere continue with that toxic attitude of ridiculing any level of concern.

Don't take it too seriously. It's a game. We are not going to have big events this year.

Everybody knows the Nantex is undercosted. If some people are happy playing online with that, it's ok.

Is better that the game is still alive somewhere, with meta issues, new toys soon, and people talking about it, than forget the hobby because we can't play like before.

8 hours ago, Chumbalaya said:

For the sake of argument*, what does this represent?

Nantex win. Imps thonkjousted. X Wing players aren't gud.

Imps win. Redline just chucked a Probomb and is about to maybe sacrifice himself for1 or 2 more Nantex, while his ace mates prepare to clean up from out of arc. There may even be no bullseye on Redline after the Imps shoot. He may yet live.

I think the upsetness in here is being overstated. I see one Chumbalaya telling the world they aren't good enough for Nantex, one Green Dragoon fighting the good fight, and several interested 3rd parties throwing confetti and eating popcorn.

*not actually arguing

**for the record, I am largely unstressed and full of the joys of living. I am exceptionally fortunate, but ofc, there's no such thing as luck.

1 hour ago, S4ul0 said:

Don't take it too seriously. It's a game. We are not going to have big events this year.

I don't take the game too seriously. Personally I see no problem with half a year of broken lists, you can always sit it out or take it as challenge.

I take people being dicks and actively and intentionally riling up other for fun in the current times too seriously. I take it too seriously to sour the game for others who enjoy one of the few ways to escape the emotionally challenging times.

How much of an ******* does one have to be to mess this up and laugh about it?

1 hour ago, Brunas said:

being condescending and arrogant is pretty on brand and what I'd expect though.

A really bad moment for that brand then (e: and usually it's paired with actual insight. Maybe not those 4, but I have no idea who is a krayt and who just tries to swim in their wake. Which means it all blends together for me. Which also means core krayts should probably weigh.

on second though rather not)

40 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

I take people being dicks and actively and intentionally riling up other for fun in the current times too seriously. I take it too seriously to sour the game for others who enjoy one of the few ways to escape the emotionally challenging times.

How much of an ******* does one have to be to mess this up and laugh about it?

I am from Spain. I have a lot of reasons to be worried.

But I don't mix things. X-Wing is a game. I love it and I want to play. But I don't like the online version of the game so I have to wait until this situation changes.

The people who play online have to fight the new hotness. What's the problem? The situation that forces people to play online or the Nantex? The people who happily embrace the new meta or the ones who are tired about the people winning/complaining about the best lists?

It will always be like this with or without a pandemic.

You did a good analysis on your blog and here. I don't know if you can do more for the game or the people who play it.

1 hour ago, GreenDragoon said:

A really bad moment for that brand then (e: and usually it's paired with actual insight. Maybe not those 4, but I have no idea who is a krayt and who just tries to swim in their wake. Which means it all blends together for me. Which also means core krayts should probably weigh.

on second thought rather not)

Oh, by on brand I mean that's what I'd expect to see on the forums/in here/etc, not brand as in any particular group or affiliation.

I think part of the issue *might* be those that have never played online (or just picked it up) seeing online play as not serious, competitive, real X-Wing or whatevs.

Sure, not everyone plays online but many do. I've been in the Vassal League since 2015 IIRC, an I can tell you the online community is as intense and cerebral (usually) and even more experimental than tabletop X-Wing.

Everyone that was serious about winning Dathomir had 2 weeks to plan around Spamtex. Unfortunately, the best solution that was discovered was "play Spamtex." It ain't the worst thing to ever happen but stop pretending they aren't problematic.

11 hours ago, gennataos said:

That doesn’t count because that Redline is not an ace.

Maybe(tm). Personally he's on the ace side of the obscenity clause for me, but not so far over I'd begrudge anyone saying he ain't

4 hours ago, Cuz05 said:

For the sake of argument*, what does this represent?

Nantex win. Imps thonkjousted. X Wing players aren't gud.

Imps win. Redline just chucked a Probomb and is about to maybe sacrifice himself for1 or 2 more Nantex, while his ace mates prepare to clean up from out of arc. There may even be no bullseye on Redline after the Imps shoot. He may yet live.

I think the upsetness in here is being overstated. I see one Chumbalaya telling the world they aren't good enough for Nantex, one Green Dragoon fighting the good fight, and several interested 3rd parties throwing confetti and eating popcorn.

*not actually arguing

**for the record, I am largely unstressed and full of the joys of living. I am exceptionally fortunate, but ofc, there's no such thing as luck.

I think Dion has the game up on YouTube if you care to watch it.

From my perspective. The imp player put redline in a **bad** spot. Telegraphed his engage a turn or two in advance which let the nantex put 6 arcs on him. With 3-4 being bullseyes. The imps init kill one nantex and redline just dies.

The problem is we have maybe 4 games of tape on nantex and 3/4 are people lining up to joust them, or making an error that forced them to joust them. So any internet screaming match about what to do about/against them is, for me, based on not seeing people not joust.

My account still works. Neat.

28 minutes ago, gamblertuba said:

I think part of the issue *might* be those that have never played online (or just picked it up) seeing online play as not serious, competitive, real X-Wing or whatevs.

I never played online. I see online play as a good alternative at this moment and I think it is fine for practice new lists. I'm aware of the online tournament results because they dictates the future of the meta and probably the FFG reaction.

But, the online play is not official and I don't give it much credit although there were good players playing.

The online game removes the things that I like of the X-Wing more: Emotions, meet people and travel.

Yeah, you use your brain and the mechanics are the same, but I think the online games are like when I play in the store, where I am training for the big events, that is where I find all those things that I mention.

In mho TTS or Vassal use the X-Wing rules, but there are not real X-Wing (official).

You can do whatever you want in online/casual games. Is the Spamtex a problem? Remove them.

13 hours ago, Chumbalaya said:

Chumby, this isn't jousting. Thonk or otherwise. Red is in a unfortunate position, but is clearly not jousting. He did'nt just drive straight at the bugs, he jockeyed for position for a few turns ensuring that all three of his ships would be on target in the same round from three different directions. That is not jousting. Red's options are to turn in and try to do as much damage as possible with two aces flanking, or commit further into the corner and still take damage. This isn't advanced sensors Redline who might have been able to deal with this.

What would you have done here with Redline that wouldn't have gotten him into a worse position the next turn? Anything to ship right, and he's dead. Anything to the left, and he's facing 2 board edges and not engaging, ensuring his death the next turn. Going straight and the doing a barrel roll is the only "safe" option, but basically ensures that he dies the next turn AND doesn't get a protorp off due to stress turning off white turns/actions. At least with turning in he gets to put damage in.

What the image you posted also ignores is that those two very acey, force-wielding ships flanking the remaining 5 PWAs only took 1 more of them out.

17 minutes ago, jagsba said:

The problem is we have maybe 4 games of tape on nantex and 3/4 are people lining up to joust them, or making an error that forced them to joust them. So any internet screaming match about what to do about/against them is, for me, based on not seeing people not joust.

Thanks for the elucidation and yes, I agree with this bit.

My post was actually kinda rhetorical and more a comment on the uselessness of the image as an illustration of general mindlessness. Which I assumed was the intention behind it.

I thought it had surprising applicability in demonstrating how people have a tendency to see only their preconceptions.

That they then apply in broad strokes to everyone.... Which, full circle, brings us back to the quotation.

How Redline avoids jousting that mass of awesome dials, I have no idea. And honestly, little interest, show me Zealous Recruits attempting it