We have a second data point now. People knew what to expect. Spamtex got better. Still watchlist because I want to see if anything changes by Coruscant. But we just moved a bit closer to the panic button with that 83% cut rate.

Awaken my child, and embrace the glory that is your birthright. Know that I am the Overmind, the eternal will of the Swarm, and that you have been created to serve me.

Community right now

1 hour ago, Boom Owl said:

Faan: 6-0 6 Nantex
Soontir Vader Scimitar Sentinel
Soontir Vader Saber Hask
Delta Delta Fifth Bro
Mirror
Mirror
Mirror

Charlie: 6-0 Griev + 5 Nantex
Kylo Holo Ep Ep
Asaj Han Dengar
Ani Delta 4x Torrents
Dash Wedge
Mirror
Mirror

Desmond: 5-1 6 Nantex
Fenn Han Lando Sarco Plank Unkar
Iden Hask Del Seyn Kagi
RAC 4x Academy
Holo Muse Rivas Ep Ep Ep
Lumi Padme Anakin Wolffe
Mirror

Timo: 5-1 Gorgol + 5 Nantex
Rey Rose Zizi Cova
Dash Lando
Norra Bandit Wedge Jan
Han Leia
Mirror
Mirror

William: 5-1 6 Nantex
Fenn Kavil Talonbane
Focho
Rey Zizi Lulo
7 CIS Swarm
Mirror
Mirror

Prevot: 5-1 6 Nantex
Rey Han Finn
3x E-Wing
8 CIS Swarm
Mirror
Dash Hera
Rey Zizi Tali

Meng: 4-2 6 Nantex
Obi Plo Sassy Tano
8 CIS Swarm
7th Sigma Sigma 5th
Vader Soontir 5th
Kylo Tavson Holo
8 CIS Swarm

I love you but please tell me the matchups they lost

9 minutes ago, Sunitsa said:

I love you but please tell me the matchups they lost

Updated Faan and Mirrors supplied most of the losses. With 2 loss to not Nantex lists, one of which was 8 CIS Swarm and the other was 7th Sigma Sigma 5th.

1 hour ago, Boom Owl said:

Updated Faan and Mirrors supplied most of the losses. With 2 loss to not Nantex lists, one of which was 8 CIS Swarm and the other was 7th Sigma Sigma 5th.

hahaha holy ****

so all 5-1 lost their game to other spamtex. wow

2 hours ago, theBitterFig said:

Five Scimitars? Wow. That's my vote for coolest list here.

Runner Up: Sloane Aggressor Swarm.

Same team. Tie Bomber gang.

3 hours ago, svelok said:

75% four ships or fewer...

Wait, four ship lists are the enemy now?

1 minute ago, DR4CO said:

Wait, four ship lists are the enemy now?

Whatever it takes to uphold the illusion. Whatever it takes.

1 hour ago, Boom Owl said:

Updated Faan and Mirrors supplied most of the losses. With 2 loss to not Nantex lists, one of which was 8 CIS Swarm and the other was 7th Sigma Sigma 5th.

that's ******* crazy

I don't think we had something like that ever in 1.0... not even sure with 2... Maybe with whisper redline soontir time?

9 minutes ago, DR4CO said:

Wait, four ship lists are the enemy now?

I’ll push these goalposts as hard as I have to, just watch me.

2 hours ago, Boom Owl said:

Charlie Cloete: 6-0 Griev + 5 Nantex

just for the record, it's Grievous and 4 PAAs.

21 minutes ago, DR4CO said:

Wait, four ship lists are the enemy now?

how many players counted to 5 or more is a very strong correlate to how good their lists were

Does this mean abandon Extended ship?

Oh wait... they're in HS, too.

42 minutes ago, Sunitsa said:

that's ******* crazy

I don't think we had something like that ever in 1.0... not even sure with 2... Maybe with whisper redline soontir time?

2 tournaments, and I'll bet all my kraytcoin people just joust it anyway.

(that's not a statement on whether I think it's too good, but rather that no one has even tested whether it is)

On 9/3/2020 at 3:49 PM, gamblertuba said:

So exactly how many spamtex in the top 32 this weekend are required before it's acceptable to whinge? More than 4?

Is six enough? I feel like six is enough.

I’m not sure who’s qualified to speak to whether something is a problem or is too good. I’m pretty sure the primary criteria is:

- Be on a podcast

- Be a guest on a podcast

Yep. Think that’s the concise list.

Oh, and the Zizi/Rey numbers are there because that’s the only thing(s) which has a snowballs (Snowflakes?) chance in **** of progressing in the cut within the faction.

41 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:

2 tournaments, and I'll bet all my kraytcoin people just joust it anyway.

(that's not a statement on whether I think it's too good, but rather that no one has even tested whether it is)

Didn't joust it, and still got rekt. Literal 250+ pt worth of ships is a lot, even when you split forces and make it such that Holo's opening engage takes only 2 unmodded/obstructed turret shots at range 3 and 1 at range 2 against his fat token stack and Tavson support. I know it's a 40 -60 ish matchup and thus still winnable for me, but the burden of execution and the necessity of good variance even in a relatively variance resistant list such as Kylo Holo Tavson is so difficult. Even after I fell down a bit, I had a chance to come back, but needed average offensive rolls against average defensive rolls, but still couldn't generate the hits to punch through even tractored defense. RIP. The sad part is that I had good opening and average midgame variance, but as soon as my double-modded dps fell, it was pretty much decided, especially when Kylo's means to escape was to annihilate a range 1 tractored bug, but could only generate 2 hits with full mods for the bug to natty efortlessly and then do him in on his range 1 turret shot.

Despite a few suboptimal obstacles/bumps/tractors/rotates/redmoves, my opponent played the game well and props to him, but it's like that scene in Halo: Reach. Specifically, the scene where Jorge manually activates the Jerry-rigged nuke--which was the last level's entire Macguffin massively built up for and desperately fought to be constructed and delivered by the characters--in what he believes is a grand sacrifice for Reach. Only for the player to feel the utter hopelessness of seeing slipspace portal after slipspace portal of carriers identical to the detonated one flood the orbit. You'd think that trading Holo and a shield from Tavson for almost 2.5 bugs would be an excellent trade. But even in that moment, I knew that it was the best trade I could generate with him and it wouldn't be enough. 200 -132 loss, and it feels like my loss to Raptorattack (to a certain degree, obviously not as bad) in a Regional after just barely beating it by 1hp the round prior. Even though I fought this list only once in the event.

That's something that I think a lot of folks are discounting. If Spamtex gets a terrible dice roll, they lost 34-ish points and have 5 other ships just like it ready to continue the fight. If you have a bad dice roll against them as Aces, you might be done. And they throw buckets of dice every round.

Edit to add

#justtoocheap

It ain't the end of the world but they are undercosted. Period. Unfortunately, FFG has very little incentive for fixing the online meta and have not left themselves any convenient outlet for doing so. I've argued for a year now that they should schedule points changes in January, March, July and September. Jan, July are big point shake-up rebalances and Mar, Sep are minor course corrections to fix things they accidentally broke. This year would have been Boba/Slave1 in March and Spamtex now.

5 minutes ago, gamblertuba said:

That's something that I think a lot of folks are discounting. If Spamtex gets a terrible dice roll, they lost 34-ish points and have 5 other ships just like it ready to continue the fight. If you have a bad dice roll against them as Aces, you might be done. And they throw buckets of dice every round.

Even when stripped/jammed/blocked, etc. , 2*6 = 12 dice. On average that's 6 hits generated. The kicker was Holo was not caught in a bulleseye until he realized he was done for and made his necessary but ineffecacious sacrifice. Kylo was not caught in a bullseye at all, other than a focus-only crack-spent bullseye at range 3. But based on how simple probabilities work, do the same unlikely thing again and again and again and you are expected to have it eventually happen, he took 2 damage from that shot. That's not wacky variance. That's simply how math works. Wacky variance was Kylo's opportunity to regain board control, but whiffed. But even then...would it have been enough? Furthermore, that wacky variance bit about simple probabilistic outcomes, eventually your 4 dice double modded shots will be bad. Again, I know it's a 40 60 matchup with my list, but that 40 depends on getting and holding a massive early lead.

(lol, no u)

16 minutes ago, Hoarder of Garlic Bread said:

Literal 250+ pt worth of ships is a lot

wat

13 minutes ago, gamblertuba said:

if you have a bad dice roll against them as Aces, you might be done.

but I thought aces was the counter and how sad it is that everyone has to play aces now to compete

I've been on here long enough that I'm just so fed up with

1 minute ago, svelok said:

wat

but I thought aces was the counter and how sad it is that everyone has to play aces now to compete

With an 8 point drop on 6 ships, that's 248 points to play with.

Who said aces are the counter?

1 minute ago, svelok said:

but I thought aces was the counter and how sad it is that everyone has to play aces now to compete

Your choices are and have been: Spamtex, Sloaneswarms, Droidswarms - or high i

The first 3 are 10/32 lists. Out of the rest, only 5/22 don't bring i5-6.

Are you still pretending ...?