Suppose some other rule (whatever, details unimportant) limited TIE Defenders to only being two per list. How much should the Init 1 Delta Defender cost?

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1 minute ago, theBitterFig said:

How much should the Init 1 Delta Defender cost?

Can we get a "the points don't matter, just make sure its never hyperspace legal" option?

4 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

Can we get a "the points don't matter, just make sure its never hyperspace legal" option?

(but mostly because I don't want to end and restart the poll)

10 minutes ago, theBitterFig said:

(but mostly because I don't want to end and restart the poll)

My actual answer was 68 or more.

Defenders even with a limited pip are still just kinda unfortunately designed and feel out of place for 2.0 (although Boba/Kylo/Jedi maybe invalidate that). Ships whose party trick boils down to "be ultra durable against 2-3+ shots" have a really narrow design space to work with and it limits archetype flexibility and in game strategy. Named defenders like Rex inhabit that space to. The win condition is just not particularly interesting and the durability more or less drives them into a corner where their price will remain high.

I have my finger on the "mid-init swarm" panic button for tomorrow.

21 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

My actual answer was 68 or more.

Defenders even with a limited pip are still just kinda unfortunately designed and feel out of place for 2.0 (although Boba/Kylo/Jedi maybe invalidate that). Ships whose party trick boils down to "be ultra durable against 2-3+ shots" have a really narrow design space to work with and it limits archetype flexibility and in game strategy. Named defenders like Rex inhabit that space to. The win condition is just not particularly interesting and the durability more or less drives them into a corner where their price will remain high.

The real issue is full throttle’s design on a 3 agi ship. If they had moved to a non-recurring charge token instead, or a flippable config to limit it to at least every other round, you could price defenders cheaper.

Alternatively, if defenders only had 2 greens, they could be a much more interesting ship.

7 minutes ago, PaulRuddSays said:

The real issue is full throttle’s design on a 3 agi ship. If they had moved to a non-recurring charge token instead, or a flippable config to limit it to at least every other round, you could price defenders cheaper.

Alternatively, if defenders only had 2 greens, they could be a much more interesting ship.

3 greens with no full throttle is preferable to 2 greens with full throttle IMO

full throttle is pretty boring game design

5 minutes ago, Kyle Ren said:

3 greens with no full throttle is preferable to 2 greens with full throttle IMO

full throttle is pretty boring game design

The N1 is for sure more tolerable but I tend to agree that its not the most interesting mechanic in general. I like the concept of speed dependent abilities but I wish it did something besides add an evade. Not sure what though...

Ideally, I think the TIE Defender should just be like this

dial
5 straight
4 straight kturn
3 straight bank turn sloop
2 straight bank turn
1 bank turn

slots
talent talent

I do like some of the weird abilities in the game, but I'd rather the TIE/d just be a normal, usable ship that doesn't break the game too much and not have to cost half your squad.

3 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

The N1 is for sure more tolerable but I tend to agree that its not the most interesting mechanic in general. I like the concept of speed dependent abilities but I wish it did something besides add an evade. Not sure what though...

1-2 speed auto-focus title for T-70's, plz.

12 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

The N1 is for sure more tolerable but I tend to agree that its not the most interesting mechanic in general. I like the concept of speed dependent abilities but I wish it did something besides add an evade. Not sure what though...

After you execute a speed 1-2 maneuver, gain one strain token...

13 minutes ago, svelok said:

After you execute a speed 1-2 maneuver, gain one strain token...

After you execute a speed 3-5 maneuver....you must perform a barrel roll. Something like that is what I would have done. I really like this ship and wish it didnt just add evades... 😢

45 minutes ago, Kyle Ren said:

3 greens with no full throttle is preferable to 2 greens with full throttle IMO

full throttle is pretty boring game design

I agree, I would personally remove it from the chassis.

1 hour ago, gennataos said:

I have my finger on the "mid-init swarm" panic button for tomorrow.

I've hit it a few times, it doesn't do anything. I think it's made of peanut butter

1 hour ago, gennataos said:

I have my finger on the "mid-init swarm" panic button for tomorrow.

Wait....which high ship count list that no one plays are people mad about now?

5 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

Wait....which high ship count list that no one plays are people mad about now?

*spins wheel*

Five K-Fighters...wait, why is that on the wheel?

5 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

Wait....which high ship count list that no one plays are people mad about now?

I'm rarely mad, but there's a boatload nantex being played. Like, a lot. Maybe not, maybe tomorrow will tell a different tale.

Just now, gennataos said:

I'm rarely mad, but there's a boatload nantex being played. Like, a lot. Maybe not, maybe tomorrow will tell a different tale.

If Starship Troopers taught me anything (and to be clear, it taught me everything), it's that if you want to get rid of bugs, you have to nuke them from orbit.

20 hours ago, Boom Owl said:

😢

R2 keeps looking at me.

Stop.

STOP.

STOP!!

5 minutes ago, Bucknife said:

R2 keeps looking at me.

Stop.

STOP.

STOP!!

1 hour ago, Boom Owl said:

I'm jealous of your sources.

4 minutes ago, gennataos said:

I'm jealous of your sources.

Fixed



GSP WORLDS#1

also space galaxy jam #1

As someone who was pushing Rey for a year and Cova since her release I will now commence my victory dance.