I'ma let you finish, Kylo, but The Chosen Undead had the best I Will Finish What You Started story of all time.

a new hope is the only good star wars movie

8 hours ago, 5050Saint said:

I'm not opposed to a small base, but comparing the T85 to the TIE/rb, the T85 is over 6 meters longer and over a meter wider than the TIE/rb. The T85 is shorter in height though. Comparing the T85 to the ARC170, the T85 is 8 meters longer than the ARC. The ARC is wider and taller than the T85 by a meter.

8 hours ago, ClassicalMoser said:

There's a thread on that. I was on your side originally but several things here convinced me otherwise. It really is that big.

In terms of dimensions, the closest ship is the Striker. Striker is taller, but by less than half a meter. T-85 is 2 meters wider, Striker is 2 meters longer.

its right at that size where it looks a bit big for a small, but would also look a bit small for a medium - i think going with a medium is cooler and more distinct from the t70, and makes for an interesting niche (a medium that handles more like a small) than most of the other ideas ive seen (just an xwing, but with 3 agility or even more shields or stronger linked actions or a silencer dial or whatever)

19 minutes ago, svelok said:

i think going with a medium is cooler and more distinct from the t70, and makes for an interesting niche (a medium that handles more like a small) than most of the other ideas ive seen (just an xwing, but with 3 agility or even more shields or stronger linked actions or a silencer dial or whatever)

This is probably the reason I'm most on the medium base train. The medium base would serve to truly differentiate it from the T70 and gives the Resistance a base size that they have yet to implement. It would essentially be an IG with one less defensive die and no shared actions, but with linked actions to make up for that.

31 minutes ago, svelok said:

its right at that size where it looks a bit big for a small, but would also look a bit small for a medium - i think going with a medium is cooler and more distinct from the t70, and makes for an interesting niche (a medium that handles more like a small) than most of the other ideas ive seen (just an xwing, but with 3 agility or even more shields or stronger linked actions or a silencer dial or whatever)

I get that "it should feel unique" vibe. A large part of what I keep proposing for it is to mostly cross a Striker with a Phantom and give it an X-Wing appearance mod. Certainly isn't just a slight tweak on a T-65 or 70. It's own flavor of striker-like forced movement seems neat to me.

4 minutes ago, 5050Saint said:

It would essentially be an IG with one less defensive die and no shared actions, but with linked actions to make up for that.

That's part of the reason I hate the idea of Medium-Base T-85, since I really ****ing hate the IGs. I've never had a ship fail me so hard as the IG-2000. Even with some linked actions or a good dial, just bleh. I mean, IGs really suck. There's something cool about the pilot ability sharing, so they've captured people's imaginations, and that's an alternate way to fin but on board they're a really poor performer in 2e.

51 minutes ago, theBitterFig said:

I get that "it should feel unique" vibe. A large part of what I keep proposing for it is to mostly cross a Striker with a Phantom and give it an X-Wing appearance mod. Certainly isn't just a slight tweak on a T-65 or 70. It's own flavor of striker-like forced movement seems neat to me.

That's part of the reason I hate the idea of Medium-Base T-85, since I really ****ing hate the IGs. I've never had a ship fail me so hard as the IG-2000. Even with some linked actions or a good dial, just bleh. I mean, IGs really suck. There's something cool about the pilot ability sharing, so they've captured people's imaginations, and that's an alternate way to fin but on board they're a really poor performer in 2e.

The problem I have with the strikerish mechanics is that they don't seem to really fit the ship? They're cool, just, they're more of a mechanic looking for a ship, than a ship looking for a mechanic.

Between the system phase rolls, and both repo actions on bar, though; a medium base becomes really quite able to navigate tight spaces and control its own movement! I agree entirely on how clunky the Aggressors are, though obviously Boba has succeeded as a medium base sense forever. But giving them the ability to systems phase roll and/or action boost/roll really changes how their base size affects their handling.

This is an approach where an Iggy would have to basically bank in then bank out; or straight in and straight/turn out; with really no other choices (other than yeeting over an obstacle). This take on T85, though, ends up with a lot of different ways it can wiggle through a busy section of the board or control its angle/position in the event of a bump.

15 hours ago, MasterShake2 said:

I approve of adding more X-Wings to X-Wing

*Insert default comment for all spoiled ships* "It could be cool, but we'll have to wait for points"

new ship could say "after you execute a manuever, you win the game" and content creators be like "well, that seems strong, but we'll have to wait for points to see what we can fit with it."

3 minutes ago, MasterShake2 said:

To be fair, if it's 201pts, it for the epic playing peasants and not the standard playing master race

I love the idea of ffg disrespecting casuals by taking a game format that takes an hour to set up and having it end on turn one. Then again, i played third edition 40k so who am i to talk.

On a less trolly note, i do love the idea of making actual content for the non standard game, you can let things that appear on screen be depicted on the table without disrupting competitive events. A title/talent for poe that reads "after you you perform an attack, if the defender is destroyed, you perform an additional attack (unlimited)" would be hilarious in epic and let everyone live out their episode 7 poe dreams in solo play, but goodness i'd never want a newbie to walk face first into that on a game night and i'd never want to play against it in a tournament.

1 hour ago, theBitterFig said:

That's part of the reason I hate the idea of Medium-Base T-85, since I really ****ing hate the IGs. I've never had a ship fail me so hard as the IG-2000. Even with some linked actions or a good dial, just bleh. I mean, IGs really suck. There's something cool about the pilot ability sharing, so they've captured people's imaginations, and that's an alternate way to fin but on board they're a really poor performer in 2e.

Perhaps that why I like the idea so much. I have had a decent amount of success from the IGs now that they are an average of 7.75 points cheaper from launch if you also consider the title. Pricing has been their real problem from launch. You really couldn't put too many tools into a list to make them efficient. They could drop another point or 2 with generic spam as strong as it is, especially on IG-A. They are a solid B-tier ship now, which is where most ships should be.

Something that actually hinders the IG in development is that you need to factor whether combo-ing their abilities with each other IG would be too strong, so their abilities need to be dialed back not only for that, but for every crew carrier that can take IG-88 crew. It's why IG-A no longer has the shield regen ability. Could you imagine Boba with regen on a kill? Blegh. One thought to counter that would be to drop the ship price a decent amount, but raise the cost of IG-2000 title and IG-88D crew. It would make the IGs worth considering as singlet ships.

The T-70's wouldn't need to make those considerations for pilot abilities. Also, having access to barrel roll is something the IG's would love. Having access to astromechs would also up their efficiency and strengths. BBs/BB-8 would be rather good with 9 blue maneuvers to trigger off of.

20 minutes ago, catachanninja said:

A title/talent for poe that reads "after you you perform an attack, if the defender is destroyed, you perform an additional attack (unlimited)" would be hilarious in epic and let everyone live out their episode 7 poe dreams in solo play, but goodness i'd never want a newbie to walk face first into that on a game night and i'd never want to play against it in a tournament.

I see nothing wrong with this.

2 minutes ago, gennataos said:

I see nothing wrong with this.

Serious question for you in particular my friend.

Have you tried the solo mode?

Would you if that were a real card?

I miss you. I see Tim this weekend, I will give him a hug on your behalf ❤️

2 minutes ago, catachanninja said:

Serious question for you in particular my friend.

Have you tried the solo mode?

Would you if that were a real card?

I've not tried the solo mode. Should I? It's virtually impossible for me to consider X-Wing as a game without the social aspect.

4 minutes ago, catachanninja said:

I miss you. I see Tim this weekend, I will give him a hug on your behalf ❤️

Same team. I demand a beer trunk pic.

1 hour ago, svelok said:

The problem I have with the strikerish mechanics is that they don't seem to really fit the ship? They're cool, just, they're more of a mechanic looking for a ship, than a ship looking for a mechanic.

Between the system phase rolls, and both repo actions on bar, though; a medium base becomes really quite able to navigate tight spaces and control its own movement! I agree entirely on how clunky the Aggressors are, though obviously Boba has succeeded as a medium base sense forever. But giving them the ability to systems phase roll and/or action boost/roll really changes how their base size affects their handling.

This is an approach where an Iggy would have to basically bank in then bank out; or straight in and straight/turn out; with really no other choices (other than yeeting over an obstacle). This take on T85, though, ends up with a lot of different ways it can wiggle through a busy section of the board or control its angle/position in the event of a bump.

Don't get me wrong, this would be cool for *some* medium base ship. I'm just not feeling it for T-85.

2 minutes ago, gennataos said:

I've not tried the solo mode. Should I? It's virtually impossible for me to consider X-Wing as a game without the social aspect.

Same team. I demand a beer trunk pic.

I haven't tried it either for basically the same reason, but i was curious if cool format exclusive cards would be enough to get you to. I think the right cards could do it for me.

3 minutes ago, catachanninja said:

I haven't tried it either for basically the same reason, but i was curious if cool format exclusive cards would be enough to get you to. I think the right cards could do it for me.

I've been trying to replicate that Episode 7 Poe scene since Resistance launched, so maybe...?

17 minutes ago, gennataos said:

I've been trying to replicate that Episode 7 Poe scene since Resistance launched, so maybe...?

3 hours ago, 5050Saint said:

This is probably the reason I'm most on the medium base train. The medium base would serve to truly differentiate it from the T70 and gives the Resistance a base size that they have yet to implement. It would essentially be an IG with one less defensive die and no shared actions, but with linked actions to make up for that.

I just can't wait to re-live that epic memorable sequel trilogy moment where Resistance Triple T-85s swoop in and save the day....

28 minutes ago, gennataos said:

I've been trying to replicate that Episode 7 Poe scene since Resistance launched, so maybe...?

The Kylo, Boba, Obi-Wan, and Vader Star Wars Single Player Movie Equivalent experience has been fully operational for awhile now. Witness our Force Users as they solo the hated 2 dice generics.

Poe just has to work harder because he is the "normal one" and his true character identity is learning from mistakes instead of hiding them behind plot armor.

From that perspective Poe is easily the most thematic and absolutely nails his TLJ theme of being a failure without his best friends to help him out.

2 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

The Kylo, Boba, Obi-Wan, and Vader Star Wars Single Player Movie Equivalent experience has been fully operational for awhile now. Witness our Force Users as they solo the hated 2 dice generics.

Poe just has to work harder because he is the "normal one" and his true character identity is learning from mistakes instead of hiding them behind plot armor.

From that perspective Poe is easily the most thematic and absolutely nails his TLJ theme of occasionally being a failure.

His plot armor is forthcoming.

6 minutes ago, gennataos said:

His plot armor is forthcoming.

60pt Poe confirmed

5 minutes ago, MasterShake2 said:

60pt Poe confirmed

Probably more of a confirmation of 90+ point Poe.

What is up with all the talk about T85? Ignoring that it isn't RZ2, is it wishful thinking or does someone know something...?

1 hour ago, MasterShake2 said:

60pt Poe confirmed

69 pt Poe

5 minutes ago, jagsba said:

69 pt Poe

FO lies