Just now, LagJanson said:

@Hoarder of Garlic Bread

Neat list I took to a tournament for a laugh... it was 200 points not long ago

Deadman

(52) Saw Gerrera [UT-60D U-wing]
(0) Pivot Wing
(2) Deadman's Switch
(2) Electronic Baffle
Points: 56

(43) Partisan Renegade [UT-60D U-wing]
(0) Pivot Wing
(7) Leia Organa
(2) Deadman's Switch
(2) Electronic Baffle
Points: 54

(39) Cavern Angels Zealot [T-65 X-wing]
(0) Servomotor S-foils
(2) Deadman's Switch
(2) Electronic Baffle
Points: 43

(39) Cavern Angels Zealot [T-65 X-wing]
(0) Servomotor S-foils
(2) Deadman's Switch
(2) Electronic Baffle
Points: 43

Total points: 196

"BuT dEaDmAn'S sWiTcH iS bAd CaRd BeCaUsE iT aSsUmEs ThAt YoU'lL dIe!" --Everybody who neglects Deadman's Z's or Deadman's U's.

If for 2 pts you get to damage Fenn or Soontir WITHOUT EFFORT, or even better with a block, you can pull a lot of value out of the blockers. Don't know how much I'll take a Deadman Z now that the new vengeance droid is out though.

Assuming 2 rerolls offensively and defensively, Rose is more accurate and more durable than a Heroptics RZ-2....? I'm bad at the calculator, someone show me I'm wrong, I'm cool with that.

3 minutes ago, Hoarder of Garlic Bread said:

"BuT dEaDmAn'S sWiTcH iS bAd CaRd BeCaUsE iT aSsUmEs ThAt YoU'lL dIe!" --Everybody who neglects Deadman's Z's or Deadman's U's.

If for 2 pts you get to damage Fenn or Soontir WITHOUT EFFORT, or even better with a block, you can pull a lot of value out of the blockers. Don't know how much I'll take a Deadman Z now that the new vengeance droid is out though.

I laughed the first time a local brought his deadman U-wings in. I stopped laughing after he brought it in week after week and kept doing consistently well. The above was my attempt at replicating it (because I don't have 3 Partisan U-Wings) - pulled off a 3-1 record. Lost the top table when I messed up the approach and got double ensnared onto rocks. Interesting facts from that last game:

• Deadman switch did 11 damage in that game
• 8 of that damage was to my opponent's force
• I only did 5 damage in the game with guns...

19 minutes ago, gennataos said:

Assuming 2 rerolls offensively and defensively, Rose is more accurate and more durable than a Heroptics RZ-2....? I'm bad at the calculator, someone show me I'm wrong, I'm cool with that.

What are you using to shoot at Rose, and what is she shooting at?

I'm seeing a tiny increase in offense for Rosd over an Optics A-wing, but the A has higher defense.

25 minutes ago, Hoarder of Garlic Bread said:

All adds up to 200.

This. Cartel Marauders are meta, but NOT because of the spam list.

I predict the same for interceptors and X-Wings.

Double post

you know it looks like there's a lot of discussion going on here, but if you close there's a bunch of posts that just say 'this is extended and doesn't matter'

24 minutes ago, Biophysical said:

What are you using to shoot at Rose, and what is she shooting at?

I'm seeing a tiny increase in offense for Rosd over an Optics A-wing, but the A has higher defense.

Just the default durability thing. I might be wrong, wouldn’t be surprised.

8 minutes ago, jagsba said:

you know it looks like there's a lot of discussion going on here, but if you close there's a bunch of posts that just say 'this is extended and doesn't matter'

How good will X-wing be if we can convince FFG to make HYPErspace the competitive format?

1 hour ago, Bucknife said:

Math people:

How many times does Heroic need to trigger on Quad T70 (att/def combined) to beat out the sample size increase of having the 5th I2 t65?

I've got no way to even approach that.

However, I don't think the math works out badly for 4 Init 3 Red Experts with Heroic and Hull compared to 5 T-65. A large part of that is simply being Init 3, but Heroic and the other upgrades matter.

Here's what I'd start with: The durability calculator. These essentially all are currently presumed Range 2 attacks, and the defender unwilling to spend focus, but it's a starting place.

• Basic T-65 vs 3 red with Focus: http://xwing.gateofstorms.net/2/ship_durability/?d=AgAAAAAAABEA&a=AgIAAA
  • 63% chance to die from 4 attacks. Offensive Heroic can essentially be ignored, but that's going to be a reasonable chance that the T-70s take out an X-Wing.
• Heroic/Hull T-70 vs 3 red with Focus: http://xwing.gateofstorms.net/2/ship_durability/?d=AgAAAAAAYBkA&a=AgIAAA
  • 43% chance to die from 5 attacks, 17% chance to die from 4 attacks.
    • Without Heroic, this would be 53% and 24%.
  • If you do take out an X-Wing, you've got a pretty small chance to lose one of your own.

You could also look at Heroic/Optics. I'm leaving out Jess builds, simply because it's faster this way.

• Basic T-65 vs 3 red with Advanced Optics and Focus:http://xwing.gateofstorms.net/2/ship_durability/?d=AgAAAAAAABEA&a=CwIAAA
  • 83% chance to die from 4 attacks. Optics T-70s probably toast a Rebel.
• Heroic T-70 vs 3 red with Focus: http://xwing.gateofstorms.net/2/ship_durability/?d=AgAAAAAAYBkA&a=AgIAAA
  • 62% chance to die from 5 attacks, 34% chance to die from 4 attacks.
    • Without Heroic, this would be 70% and 43%.
  • So the odds are probably still in your favor to kill an enemy, and then live through the return volley.

So Optics gives you a 20% better chance to kill an enemy T-65, Hull gives you a 20% better chance to live through the return shots.

For the 2nd round of fighting, if you're both on 4 ships, again, you've got a decent shot to take one out. Your wounded one is sure to die, but once it's 3 vs 3, you've probably got the whip hand.

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TL,DR: Mostly it's going to be the Init 3, but Upgrades like Heroic, Hull Upgrade, or Advanced Optics are potent enough help the 4 Red T-70s math out decently against 5 Blue T-65.

Possible takeaway? Fly 4 Red T-65 + an A-Wing?

8 minutes ago, gennataos said:

Just the default durability thing. I might be wrong, wouldn’t be surprised.

No, you're doing it right, rose is effectively 4 agility and drops the worst 2 results, vs 3 agility.

Not exactly correct, but a close enough mental approximation

Just here to point out 998'000 views on the thread

43 minutes ago, theBitterFig said:

Possible takeaway? Fly 4 Red T-65 + an A-Wing?

Definitely considering it.

I've got Bastian + 3 Outmaneuver Reds loaded up for this weekend at a local thing. Hoping to matchup well Vs Poe+Rookies and 5X

1 minute ago, Bucknife said:

Definitely considering it.

I've got Bastian + 3 Outmaneuver Reds loaded up for this weekend at a local thing. Hoping to matchup well Vs Poe+Rookies and 5X

I've got so 4 Outmaneuver Reds and 4 Heroic/Hull Reds packed, and some random other stuff. And I'm probably going to repack.

2 hours ago, Hoarder of Garlic Bread said:

The only advantage the T65 has over the T70 (talking about the chassis, because some T65 pilots are notably better than most or all T70's) is the ability to cram another body in

I would add the Linked Boost+Focus with foils closed.

Every time I'm playing against a Rebel who actually uses it I'm like, "HEY! That's an A-Wing trick! My T70's can't even do that!".

Super sweet on the breakaway, which is why I'm super sad that Rebel players won't really get to explore the joys of Regen T65s for a while, if ever, in the meta outside of Epic.

In my book, T65s can totally play the Shield Regen game better than T70's.

T65s lower price points make them potentially better at the Alpha strike game, which they've also been robbed of because of Torp abuse.

Sad face.

So what do T70's do? I guess Heroic up and hope for the best? Okay, and link Broll block with I1s...but my RZ2s can do that cheaper and with Intimidation.

Ugh. Okay, rant over.

33 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

Just here to point out 998'000 views on the thread

Far more important to note the proximity to page 1337.

40 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

Far more important to note the proximity to page 1337.

@ me when we get close to 4337

Fang gang thoughts

Is 6111 ace squad squad squad gang or ace ace ace ace gang?

Is 4444 ace ace ace ace gang or squad squad squad squad?

Is 6411 ace ace squad squad or ace squad squad squad?

Gosh this is both the best and worst thread of all the forums I've ever been part of.

Keep up the good work!

21 minutes ago, jagsba said:

Fang gang thoughts

Is 6111 ace squad squad squad gang or ace ace ace ace gang?

Is 4444 ace ace ace ace gang or squad squad squad squad?

Is 6411 ace ace squad squad or ace squad squad squad?

I will need time to run the #s to answer those questions.
If it helps, 5 4 3 2 1 is ace jad xmen art spain gang

4 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

I will need time to run the #s to answer those questions.
If it helps, 5 4 3 2 1 is ace jad xmen art spain gang

I thought 5 4 3 2 1 was the "idiot luggage" gang

Tried the following on vassal. Feels good so far.

Gina Moonsong (50) Ship total: 50 Half Points: 25 Threshold: 4

Braylen Stramm (52) Autoblasters (3) Hull Upgrade (3) Stabilized S-Foils (2) Ship total: 60 Half Points: 30 Threshold: 5

Ten Numb (48) Autoblasters (3) Stabilized S-Foils (2) Ship total: 53 Half Points: 27 Threshold: 4

Arvel Crynyd (34) Intimidation (3) Ship total: 37 Half Points: 19 Threshold: 2

Total: 200

View in Yet Another Squad Builder 2.0: https://raithos.github.io/?f=Rebel Alliance&d=v8ZhZ200Z391XWWWWWWY73XWW232WWW164W313Y74XWW232WWWW313Y51X122WW&sn=Unnamed Squadron&obs=.

Might swap hull for selfless on Gina.

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**** you for the craptacular earworm...

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**** you for the craptacular earworm...