6 minutes ago, catachanninja said:

Essentially, you need some good words

Skull, Saber, FOTP, and Rogue disagree.

Calling it now: First Order TIE Bomber gets an I4 generic!

7 minutes ago, ClassicalMoser said:

Skull, Saber, FOTP, and Rogue disagree.

Calling it now: First Order TIE Bomber gets an I4 generic!

But all four of those have good words baked in.

Just now, IridiumR6 said:

But all four of those have good words baked in.

Oooooooooh you're right!

Good point.

20 minutes ago, ClassicalMoser said:

Rogue

?

10 minutes ago, Hiemfire said:

?

Yes

Example:

Rogue Squadron Escort (53)
Swarm Tactics (3)
Fire-Control System (2)
R3 Astromech (3)

Rogue Squadron Escort (53)
Swarm Tactics (3)
Fire-Control System (2)
R3 Astromech (3)

Cavern Angels Zealot (39)
Servomotor S-Foils (0)

Cavern Angels Zealot (39)
Servomotor S-Foils (0)

Total: 200

View in Yet Another Squad Builder 2.0: https://raithos.github.io/?f=Rebel Alliance&d=v8ZsZ200Z23X132W113WW4WY23X132W113WW4WY0XWWWW142Y0XWWWW142&sn=Unnamed Squadron&obs=

25 minutes ago, ClassicalMoser said:

Skull, Saber, FOTP, and Rogue disagree.

Calling it now: First Order TIE Bomber gets an I4 generic!

I'm certainly willing to be proven wrong, but I'm currently skeptical at best

Can new players get a first first order bomber first?

8 minutes ago, ClassicalMoser said:

Yes

Example:

Rogue Squadron Escort (53)
Swarm Tactics (3)
Fire-Control System (2)
R3 Astromech (3)

Rogue Squadron Escort (53)
Swarm Tactics (3)
Fire-Control System (2)
R3 Astromech (3)

Cavern Angels Zealot (39)
Servomotor S-Foils (0)

Cavern Angels Zealot (39)
Servomotor S-Foils (0)

Total: 200

View in Yet Another Squad Builder 2.0: https://raithos.github.io/?f=Rebel Alliance&d=v8ZsZ200Z23X132W113WW4WY23X132W113WW4WY0XWWWW142Y0XWWWW142&sn=Unnamed Squadron&obs=

I'd forgotten about the E-Wing and thought that they'd teased the Porax-38 variant and I'd missed it...

2 hours ago, ClassicalMoser said:

True. Also some (like KULBEE SPERADO!!) got directly buffed by a significant amount.

Curious what Kanan, Ezra, and Sabine could look like...

Pretty good, but next time I field a VCX, it's going to be Fulcrum with some 2 Tubes Jyn shenanigans:

Reinforce>>toss a focus that becomes an evade>>gain a very frequent agility that the evade can fix...on 16 health. Now what to do to make use of that extra durability....

Anyways, an important step is pray that Mag pulse doesn't roll by to do the expected 1 dmg then jam those plans of reinforce against 4 more shots away.

1 hour ago, ClassicalMoser said:

Yes

E-Wings were my absolute favorite Rebel ship in 1.0. Why? No reason really. But, maybe because it conjured up fond memories of Battlestar Galactica; like a heavy Viper or something? Anyway, I loved flying them, but they flamed out like non-Vader’s TIE Advanced when you made a bad move or got caught in a good move by your opponent. But still, I flew a squad of three Blackmoon Squadron with a droid each (I think that’s what they were called).

No one ever said I was smart; but they surprised a few? ...maybe?

2 hours ago, ClassicalMoser said:

Skull, Saber, FOTP, and Rogue disagree.

ship abilities are good words

Quad “Ace” Ramble:

- Obi Plo Broadside Ani

- Obi Plo Ric Oddball

- Obi Plo Lumi Tano

- Poe Zizi Talli Greer

- Poe Nien Zizi Jaegar

- Vader Duchess Countdown Sabacc

- Vader Duchess Maarek Countdown

- Vonreg Holo LeFrance Scorch

- Holo Midnight Malarus Scorch Longshot

- Kylo Ember Backdraft Scorch

- Kylo Vonreg Scorch Longshot

- Luke Ten Braylen Jake

- Luke Thane Norra Jake

What else?

15 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

Quad “Ace” Ramble:

- Obi Plo Broadside Ani

- Obi Plo Ric Oddball

- Obi Plo Lumi Tano

- Poe Zizi Talli Greer

- Poe Nien Zizi Jaegar

- Vader Duchess Countdown Sabacc

- Vader Duchess Maarek Countdown

- Vonreg Holo LeFrance Scorch

- Holo Midnight Malarus Scorch Longshot

- Kylo Ember Backdraft Scorch

- Kylo Vonreg Scorch Longshot

- Luke Ten Braylen Jake

- Luke Thane Norra Jake

What else?

Obi Plo Ric Ani?

So every points update I go and look at Sloane because I don't like that card, and after this update you can fit quite a bit next to her now such as a Lambda+4 tie lns+interceptor+aggressor/bomber. 7 ship Sloane swarms sounds like a terrible list to play against.

18 minutes ago, SnooSnarry said:

7 ship Sloane swarms sounds like a terrible list to play against.

The Vultures Accept.

Last points change the fun “count to 200” seemed like first order. Is it resistance this time, or have I just been looking at them the most and it works everywhere now? With lowest generics I have successfully counted to 200 with:

XXXXA

AAAFFFF

XXAAFF

XXFFFF (4x Adv. SLAM)

Does one of those seem obviously better? I don’t even know what direction to start heading for initial testing.

Say, could generic Fireballs be the ship which actually makes Targeting Synchronizer make sense?

A-Wing gets a lock. A bunch of Colossus Station Mechanics launch their missiles. 5 Fireballs with Missiles + Tallie can fit.

But I suppose you'd be **** out of luck if the A-Wing ever goes down, since these buggers don't have a Lock action.

2 hours ago, Boom Owl said:

Quad “Ace” Ramble:

- Poe Zizi Talli Greer

What else?

If Greer and other I4’s are aces, Kaz is a bazillion percent an ace.

Reflex take on new B-Wings, ran this:

Gina Moonsong (50)
Ship total: 50 Half Points: 25 Threshold: 4

Braylen Stramm (52)
Autoblasters (3)
Stabilized S-Foils (2)

Ship total: 57 Half Points: 29 Threshold: 4

Ten Numb (48)
Autoblasters (3)
Stabilized S-Foils (2)

Ship total: 53 Half Points: 27 Threshold: 4

Blue Squadron Escort (40)
Servomotor S-Foils (0)

Ship total: 40 Half Points: 20 Threshold: 3


Total: 200

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I knew Braylen and Ten would hit hard...I underestimated how hard. When Braylen casually deleted a full health K-Fighter by lock -> barrel rolling into an R1 bullseye it put a nice exclamation point on that. Gina and the generics don't seem to be able to use it as well because they don't have the mods of Braylen or Ten, but probably still worth looking at (only 46 for a Blue Squadron with S-foils and auto).

I was pretty far off on how impactful Gina would be. I thought her pilot ability would just be a cool trick that you used every so often, but it opened up a lot of options to maneuver Ten and Braylen (or plan your actions) and fix later the issue if they needed but didn't have a stress. It let me do blues to keep an open dial and options if Braylen/Ten weren't blocked, but didn't run the risk of being caught modless if I did get blocked. It actually resulted in a kill at least one turn earlier in all 3 games. She's not amazing, but there's more there than I initially thought.

I'm mulling around if the 39-40pt X-wings represent a bigger power curve shift than originally anticipated. It's easy to just look at points, but the game impact of it just being easier to wedge in a more relevant-statted ship than you would previously is a lot higher than the 1-2pt drop. Need more testing, but it's already somewhat changed how I look at Rebel list building to a disproportionate degree and other baseline ships saw similar treatment.

2 hours ago, SnooSnarry said:

So every points update I go and look at Sloane because I don't like that card, and after this update you can fit quite a bit next to her now such as a Lambda+4 tie lns+interceptor+aggressor/bomber. 7 ship Sloane swarms sounds like a terrible list to play against.

Sloane shuttle with 4 crack sabers is where I'm starting. I think i1 generics are a trap because

2 hours ago, Tlfj200 said:

The Vultures Accept.

And I also think 5x at i2 makes anything at i2(?) difficult. But 4 crack sabers has some decent chances at initiative killing enough stuff early to stay alive against generic swarms, which are Sloane's worst enemy, and then essentially be double reposition aces in the end game.

1 hour ago, MasterShake2 said:

I was pretty far off on how impactful Gina would be. I thought her pilot ability would just be a cool trick that you used every so often, but it opened up a lot of options to maneuver Ten and Braylen (or plan your actions) and fix later the issue if they needed but didn't have a stress. It let me do blues to keep an open dial and options if Braylen/Ten weren't blocked, but didn't run the risk of being caught modless if I did get blocked. It actually resulted in a kill at least one turn earlier in all 3 games. She's not amazing, but there's more there than I initially thought.

I have a feeling named Ten/Braylen + StabFoils is going to be quite the thing in the new meta; this is making me very tempted to break my max-2-of-anything rule and get a 3rd B-wing.

6 hours ago, Micanthropyre said:

Sloane shuttle with 4 crack sabers is where I'm starting. I think i1 generics are a trap

Same Team!

My 13 year old son made the observation that the First Order was actually the Second to Last Order.

12 hours ago, SnooSnarry said:

So every points update I go and look at Sloane because I don't like that card, and after this update you can fit quite a bit next to her now such as a Lambda+4 tie lns+interceptor+aggressor/bomber. 7 ship Sloane swarms sounds like a terrible list to play against.

You forget how fair and fun and interactive double stressing things is now that it's an imperial mechanic. "Just kill the ship with reinforce first" is also a fair and fine expectation, now that it's imperial

10 minutes ago, catachanninja said:

You forget how fair and fun and interactive double stressing things is now that it's an imperial mechanic. "Just kill the ship with reinforce first" is also a fair and fine expectation, now that it's imperial

inb4

"Every mechanic given to the First Order and Empire is inherently fair, well costed and not an NPE because their ships are 'frail'"