26 minutes ago, theBitterFig said:I've mostly been putting Crack Shot on my SFs, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Proud doesn't make a tonne of sense on Silencers to me, since with their pilot ability and blue moves, I just don't think the opportunity to use it will come up often.
I agree 100%. Crack is my go-to. In Hyperspace where that's not an option, I'd take no talent before I put Proud Tradition on a Silencer. They too-often self stress.
Edited by BiophysicalFenn with fearless and four snap ties gives you a nine point bid
2 hours ago, gennataos said:Which part is the surprise? Yeah, RZ-2 A-Wings kind of chew up Fangs, but I assume Optics/Heroic when saying that.
The suprise is that i misread your post, my bad ❤️
31 minutes ago, theBitterFig said:I've mostly been putting Crack Shot on my SFs, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Proud doesn't make a tonne of sense on Silencers to me, since with their pilot ability and blue moves, I just don't think the opportunity to use it will come up often.
Primed Thrusters?
You can K-Turn, Focus, Autothrusters on one turn, follow it with a blue and do it again. It's true it takes a little extra blue to clear but that's a lot of flexibility for when you can do extra actions.
Pattern Analyzer lets you repo-focus on a red with only one stress so you could do it every other turn.
The extra-nice benefit on silencers is that their awesome dial mitigates the downside of the flipped card. Still it does cut deep into the value of a valuable arc-dodging platform, so it would be much better on scrubs. I could see it working on a kooky TIE/ba build though.
4 minutes ago, Micanthropyre said:Fenn with fearless and four snap ties gives you a nine point bid
Don’t do it. I’ve played against mass snap shot TIEs and they should be called Snap **** TIEs.
5 minutes ago, gennataos said:Don’t do it. I’ve played against mass snap shot TIEs and they should be called Snap **** TIEs.
So you ground them into the dust?
All those attacks!
1 hour ago, theBitterFig said:Proud doesn't make a tonne of sense on Silencers to me, since with their pilot ability and blue moves, I just don't think the opportunity to use it will come up often.
I would totally run Proud VNs, simply because I'd want Optics on the tech and because with those Tallons, they like to "joust".
Proud gives them that focus after turn unless the opponent takes a downside.
If you're running at I3 or I4, that token dare against aces sounds like money when threatening the back to back Optics.
52 minutes ago, ClassicalMoser said:Primed Thrusters?
You can K-Turn, Focus, Autothrusters on one turn, follow it with a blue and do it again. It's true it takes a little extra blue to clear but that's a lot of flexibility for when you can do extra actions.
Pattern Analyzer lets you repo-focus on a red with only one stress so you could do it every other turn.
The extra-nice benefit on silencers is that their awesome dial mitigates the downside of the flipped card. Still it does cut deep into the value of a valuable arc-dodging platform, so it would be much better on scrubs. I could see it working on a kooky TIE/ba build though.
Is that a 66 point ship on a FOTP, though? 74 on Blackout?
Also, I don't know that I want to let an opponent flip to False Tradition. If the ship is disposable, a single-use mini-Pattern Analyzer+Crack Shot is fine. I don't mind a 30 point TIE/fo being stuck on red focus (with all their action options and nice blues and no real reason to be stressed most of the time), or probably even 40 point Optics SF (being on only banks might not be too bad, with the rear gun). But a Primed Silencer costs 66 points, and I think they probably deal with False Tradition worse than the others.
2 hours ago, Mattman7306 said:The prophecy
The warnings were there for all to see, and yet we all allowed this to happen... we must share the blame for this. What will our children think of?
1 hour ago, Micanthropyre said:So you ground them into the dust?
All those attacks!
Yeah, pretty much.
14 minutes ago, theBitterFig said:Is that a 66 point ship on a FOTP, though? 74 on Blackout?
Also, I don't know that I want to let an opponent flip to False Tradition. If the ship is disposable, a single-use mini-Pattern Analyzer+Crack Shot is fine. I don't mind a 30 point TIE/fo being stuck on red focus (with all their action options and nice blues and no real reason to be stressed most of the time), or probably even 40 point Optics SF (being on only banks might not be too bad, with the rear gun). But a Primed Silencer costs 66 points, and I think they probably deal with False Tradition worse than the others.
54 for an I3 TIE/ba, but that doesn't really get the advantage from it at all.
Yeah it's basically a bad investment, but it could be fun anyway.
Maybe with 3 of the silencers at I4 (total of 198), you could really beat up on some I3 swarms or alpha-strike lists? The talented generics will be big and this just beats most of those. It would die very badly at the hands of I5-6 pilots, but on the other hand, those are less likely to have extra crits and focus tokens to throw around chasing a false tradition...
Honestly it's more a fun toy than anything to be taken seriously. It's cool that we get these options, in spite of their wonderfully punishing downsides and difficult-to-manage weaknesses.
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1 hour ago, Bucknife said:I would totally run Proud VNs, simply because I'd want Optics on the tech and because with those Tallons, they like to "joust".
Proud gives them that focus after turn unless the opponent takes a downside.
If you're running at I3 or I4, that token dare against aces sounds like money when threatening the back to back Optics.
Vn's self stress so much that the downside of Proud will have many opportunities to trigger, then you are back to either a single action when you need to focus (cause it's red) or just not taking focus actions any more so you can repo.
/fo and /ba's can handle it being flipped as they are not reliant on stress for additional actions.
Are any tournaments with Curled Paw discount codes likely to happen in the next little while?
I'd assume LVO?
8 hours ago, Bucknife said:
I don't think there are many scenarios I would take Fanatical, with Quickdraw not legal in the real format.
I'm even more interested in proud/optics rush over fanatical rush.
2 minutes ago, Brunas said:I don't think there are many scenarios I would take Fanatical, with Quickdraw not legal in the real format.
I'm even more interested in proud/optics rush over fanatical rush.
No talent slot for rush....
8 minutes ago, Deffly said:No talent slot for rush....
Thankfully
Thanks, @Deffly. That actually makes a lot of sense.
Thematically and mechanically, BA's like Proud better than VAs.
I think I got a little too excited when I imagined two optics Proud SJEs jousting an ace.
On that note...
For hyperspace, are we all just slapping Outmaneuver on the VAs and calling it a day?
Skip the Optics, skip the Proud, skip Fanatic?
Or just hard passing unless it's Kylo....?
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Edit: I'm really missing Pattern Analyzer. 
19 minutes ago, Bucknife said:Thanks, @Deffly. That actually makes a lot of sense.
Thematically and mechanically, BA's like Proud better than VAs.
I think I got a little too excited when I imagined two optics Proud SJEs jousting an ace.
On that note...
For hyperspace, are we all just slapping Outmaneuver on the VAs and calling it a day?
Skip the Optics, skip the Proud, skip Fanatic?
Or just hard passing unless it's Kylo....?
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Edit: I'm really missing Pattern Analyzer.
On the Silencers I'm just putting Fanatical, if I'm feeling spicy then adding on AO.
Kylo I'm trying to have sense if I have the points and still room for a bid.
4 hours ago, Deffly said:No talent slot for rush....
Oh really? BUT THEY SHOWED HIM ON STREAM WITH A TALENT
12 minutes ago, Brunas said:Oh really? BUT THEY SHOWED HIM ON STREAM WITH A TALENT
So that was a Lie
9 hours ago, Brunas said:Oh really? BUT THEY SHOWED HIM ON STREAM WITH A TALENT
If Barnes and Noble releases them with a talent then can I play it at lvo?
Edited by jagsbaPage 1300 deserves a YT 1300.
Only 6 months until we get Outrider!
Also, props to the Hyperspace balancing work done by FFG. By eliminating some of the sheer power cards (such as crackshot, pattern analyzer, Lone Wolf, 7B, etc.), it ironically increases diversity by encouraging players to look to the passed-up cards to seek differentiated builds. For an anecdotal example, the gutting of Supernatural Reflexes means that I can only do Super Kylo + Vonreg + Friend (essentially replacing Vonreg for QD for consistency) or Super Kylo and Toys + Vonreg and Toys (to recreate Kylo + Soontir but with munitions, force, regen, wonky movement buffs, and increased degeneracy) in extended. I must say that retaining Kylo as a point fortress with Torps + Mag Pulse + Optics + Instinctive at 100 remains just as fun, because now the gimmick is in blowing things up spectacularly! Or perhaps saving a friendly with a timely jam + deplete when the 5th arc in an enemy list was 1 too many to dodge!
Sure, I'd rather dance around and dodge the engagement or thread to where I could be safe, and I'm not quite good enough with Kylo Vonreg Fiend, but fielding a deadeye guidance chips 1st e bomber that gains an agility and a primary die apiece, changes 2h into 2s, gains boost and effective PTL, as well as having 1st e Advanced Optics is some silly fun.
