5 minutes ago, MasterShake2 said:
IF they had kept ESCs, I'd be more confident in that. Without it, just trying to pew down with 2 dice can be harsh and very RNG heavy
Esc is just paying for the privilege of rng with 3 dice.
You get locks on off turns and the numbers to survive and the points for toys.
12 minutes ago, clanofwolves said:I know you mean well Cuz, but I just spit my pint all over my phone... thank goodness for OtterBox.
...now where's another pint?
Consider it tongue in cheek 
I know and understand the prevailing opinion. Passive mods do lead down the dark path.
But without a 100pt fortress and regen to paper over a lot of what you can get from them, I find it a fun game on either side, whatever the combo.
Now we have vaguely consequential gas clouds as well ofc. Shrug.
Anyway, if this pair were the worst the game has to offer in npe, it would be no bad thing to me.
Only having to do ~50pt of damage to win is the real enemy.
1 hour ago, Cuz05 said:Consider it tongue in cheek
I know and understand the prevailing opinion. Passive mods do lead down the dark path.
Only having to do ~50pt of damage to win is the real enemy.
Cool, you had me worried 😉
Now we all know what actually turned Anakin to the dark side.
And yes, your last point, ‘tis the best point.
...cheers! I found it.
4 hours ago, MasterShake2 said:Also, CIS in HS might be the weakest faction. Republic took a hit, but CIS lost most of the multipliers for their cheap bodies (sear, ESC, tractor) except for a single tac relay, so it might be hard to get enough work out of Vultures and without that, the faction is iffy.
I disagree.
Dooku + 6 from AUS SoS is still alive.
O-66 w/ TA175 and 7 Strut Drones fit.
And then we get into new Hyena price territory...
I think our droid bois will be fine.
1 hour ago, RStan said:I disagree.
Dooku + 6 from AUS SoS is still alive.
O-66 w/ TA175 and 7 Strut Drones fit.
And then we get into new Hyena price territory...
I think our droid bois will be fine.
quite fine, they might have more competition with cheaper generics for best swarm, but they're still a strong contender for that spot
Man... to believe separatists are the weakest hyperspace faction.
I think people forgot infiltrators carry tac droids...
Some HYPErspace Ramblings:
Hyper Trip Ace Things:
Rebels:
Empire:
Scum
Resistance
First Order
Republic
Separatists
9 hours ago, Tlfj200 said:Man... to believe separatists are the weakest hyperspace faction.
I think people forgot infiltrators carry tac droids...
To think that losing damage amplification isn't relevant when most other factions saw buffs
4 minutes ago, MasterShake2 said:To think that losing damage amplification isn't relevant when most other factions saw buffs
I'm afraid the separatist faction will be quite operational when your wave 6 arrives
1 minute ago, svelok said:I'm afraid the separatist faction will be quite operational when your wave 6 arrives
Eh, I've had the most accurate predictions of CIS power level for every wave/release. I'm used to people not believing me.
2 minutes ago, MasterShake2 said:
Eh, I've had the most accurate predictions of CIS power level for every wave/release. I'm used to people not believing me.
5 minutes ago, svelok said:I'm afraid the separatist faction will be quite operational when your wave 6 arrives
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8 minutes ago, MasterShake2 said:Eh, I've had the most accurate predictions of CIS power level for every wave/release. I'm used to people not believing me.
sorry but I'm contractually obligated to not understand that unless you rephrase it as a quote
Just now, svelok said:sorry but I'm contractually obligated to not understand that unless you rephrase it as a quote
"Shaka, when the walls fell"
5 minutes ago, MasterShake2 said:
"Shaka, when the walls fell"
Temba, his arms wide
1 hour ago, Boom Owl said:Temba, his arms wide
*points to hyperspace event*
Darmak and Jallad, at Tanagra
So how are we feeling about Lando + Leia builds?
Is it worth trying to squeeze a <42 pt ship in there at the cost of upgrades?
Lando wants Nein as much as ever, but I’m especially feeling Engine Upgrade + K-2SO crew. You can boost if you need, never purposefully stressing yourself in the action phase, leaving you open to get the free Calc every round. Is 100 too much for an i5 3x-Action Falcon?
That leaves Leia room for 3-PO and Kanan with 1 point for bid? Is that decent? Should Kanan and K-2 swap to give both ships a Force mod? And then move the EU?
22 hours ago, Brunas said:Also, realized I never asked - is there a particular change you think might be an indication of power creep, or is the process of buffing bad things by itself what concerns you? If it's the latter, how is it different than the given example with the obviously bad 2 die 1 hull ship?
Haha here's an illustrated 1000 words answer. I hope it explains a bit better why I think it matters in the long term. I tried to point out the possible weaknesses of my train of thought, there are quite a few assumptions that I think are reasonable, but might be blatantly false.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/197iRo-JY98ijllHZr3Yi6EUCp46YzIGS2uAfl54Hksk/edit?usp=sharing
2 hours ago, MasterShake2 said:
Eh, I've had the most accurate predictions of CIS power level for every wave/release. I'm used to people not believing me.
So you're batting what 2/2?
Cis was already the best jousting list. Their joust got worse and others got better. But linking back to the power level discussion. That just means there's less of a gap between the two.
My actual concern is how well the aces end up because they always had a harder time in that match. If fo and Jedi aces get real good cis has problems (but no problem the others swarms don't have)
13 hours ago, RStan said:Dooku + 6 from AUS SoS is still alive.
Why isn't dooku + 7 also a consideration? Losing struts is rough, and losing hp hurts some matchups, but it's one extra drone!
38 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:Haha here's an illustrated 1000 words answer. I hope it explains a bit better why I think it matters in the long term. I tried to point out the possible weaknesses of my train of thought, there are quite a few assumptions that I think are reasonable, but might be blatantly false.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/197iRo-JY98ijllHZr3Yi6EUCp46YzIGS2uAfl54Hksk/edit?usp=sharing
But isn't the point of the stuff that can be changed precisely to prevent the rise of the power level of the stuff that's can't be changed?
To put it more bluntly. Even if power level increases and they release a 4/4/4/4 I6 ship at one point, couldn't that be fixed by making it 200 points and the simple X Wing 10 points. (the exact points don't matter, they are here just to show the idea).
2 minutes ago, Ablazoned said:Why isn't dooku + 7 also a consideration? Losing struts is rough, and losing hp hurts some matchups, but it's one extra drone!
Eh, like SI results (both pre and post nerfs) were pretty limited and they haven't seen positive movement. I'm not confident they were ever "that good", they just seemed to kind of boogey man their way into a nerf ala Handbrake Han, a list that, while degenerate, only saw success with 1 player at 1 event indicating issues with either other meta picks or consistency.
2 minutes ago, MasterShake2 said:ala Handbrake Han, a list that, while degenerate, only saw success with 1 player at 1 event
I suffered physical trauma at reading this
2 minutes ago, svelok said:I suffered physical trauma at reading this
eh, just because it's aggressively unfun to play against, doesn't mean it's going to win
Remember when people were worried about how many games were going to time?
Yeah those people could have been born in 2020 now.
Just now, MasterShake2 said:eh, just because it's aggressively unfun to play against, doesn't mean it's going to win
This Nathan Eide erasure! I didn't fight in the Handbrake Han forum thread trenches just to end up back on "eh, only Mooney ever did anything with it"!