1 hour ago, Tlfj200 said:

I'm staring much harder at discord missiles, and chertek (not necessarily connected).

Been looking around locally for a couple more nuckols list looked nasty

8 minutes ago, Tsavong said:

I might need to do that, I blanked out a few times and I didn't know what I should do 🤔🤔🤔

there's an actual answer for when to han that's pretty elegant if you don't know it , alternativly, i can link you where i got my wristband and recommend a good picture of Bunn to put in it

10 minutes ago, jagsba said:

Been looking around locally for a couple more nuckols list looked nasty

i really liked how his list denied his opponents target locks

5 minutes ago, jagsba said:

Been looking around locally for a couple more nuckols list looked nasty

19 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

Why is doofus a butterfly?

1 hour ago, catachanninja said:

@RStan alex handed us two lists before worlds, the one nathan and @Micanthropyre flew, and 7b obi, 7b pl, chopper lumi. I like that second one alot better though it has a much more terrifying matchup vs sun fac. I had to cancel my l5r worlds trip, but that freed up crossroads time, so the top things on my list are to continue practicing Alexs 3 aether build or some sort of han luke. I see alot of swarms and alot of things that move late, so Han seems like a really good call right now.

Leintz and myself were discussing 7B Sense Regen Anakin, CLT Obi and Chopper Lumi although unsure if Lumi should have CLT, if Anakin should have Spare Parts Canisters, or just keep the 6 bid. CLT seems valuable on Lumi against swarms where she ends up still moving after opposing lists while not making Chopper erratic. Spare Parts Canisters seems good for more regen and dropping the debris with sense information sounds pretty good against Nantex and other high bidding i6s.

Just now, RStan said:

Leintz and myself were discussing 7B Sense Regen Anakin, CLT Obi and Chopper Lumi although unsure if Lumi should have CLT, if Anakin should have Spare Parts Canisters, or just keep the 6 bid. CLT seems valuable on Lumi against swarms where she ends up still moving after opposing lists while not making Chopper erratic. Spare Parts Canisters seems good for more regen and dropping the debris with sense information sounds pretty good against Nantex and other high bidding i6s.

i am incredibly pro 7b, so i will always lean towards getting more of that. The double 5 version also gets you basically all the toys ( regen, sense) which I feel makes you less dependent on one ship. Spare parts cannister reminds me of sloane where it's obviously very good and under taken but there's so many other pushed choices in the faction that it doesn't sow up on a ton.

@RStan I can offer some insight into the choices made:

We actually played 3 versions of Chopper/Lumi when building the list: the Plo/Obi with 7b version, the one Nathan and I played, and a 7b R2 Anakin, CLT chopper carrier with Sense (we were using Mace but probably would have swapped to Lumi had we kept this), and 2 Gold Squadron troopers.

The version with the ARCs played the best out of the three against I6 aces and did well vs swarms as well. The two 3 die attacks, the ability to clog up lanes with the ARCs, and having the time on target that the ARCs gave all proved to be pretty valuable. I think it's also worth noting that Nathan lost to the runner up day 2 who was playing a list not on the radar for testing against where he strung out an ARC first turn of combat, and in the swiss he beat Oliver. Having played a bunch of the variants, I'd still stick with what I took to Worlds.

1 hour ago, Ablazoned said:

Why is doofus a butterfly?

Butter bot - butterfly

19 minutes ago, jagsba said:

Butter bot - butterfly

1 hour ago, RStan said:

"You pass the grape"

8 hours ago, gennataos said:

Quad Starvipers.

teehee

Quad Vipers was one of the first list I put on the table after 2.0 dropped, immediately dismissed it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Of course this was in the days of Juke Phantoms and Boba/Guri

Its actually pretty solid now, even if you adopt a play-style of engaging the enemy

Quad Phantoms was the main reason I never took my vipers to a larger event. The Vipers got dumpstered in the matchup and everyone was trying to kill phantoms (vipers fall to a lot of the same types of firepower)

In the current Meta, vipers struggle vs Nantex (microthrusters v tractors hurts), but prey on the things that hunt them ( wiggle rolls and Crack-Shot gives you an easy upper hand vs medium bases). About the only list that I'd punt to is Sun/Cher/Grevious.

4 hours ago, Crimsonwarlock said:

In the current Meta, vipers struggle vs Nantex (microthrusters v tractors hurts), but prey on the things that hunt them ( wiggle rolls and Crack-Shot gives you an easy upper hand vs medium bases). About the only list that I'd punt to is Sun/Cher/Grevious.

I don't think you're alone there. I pretty much just want to fly small base forward arc ships, and multiple Nantices scare the snot out of that. But what is one gonna do? I'd rather not give up fun against everyone else, so I rely on the sketchy but occasionally effective strategy of hope.

1 hour ago, Biophysical said:

I rely on the sketchy but occasionally effective strategy of hope.

...that they mess up the first engage badly.

15 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

...that they mess up the first engage badly.

There's also hope in the matchup dodge and hope in favorable variance. I'm not picky.

1 hour ago, Biophysical said:

There's also hope in the matchup dodge and hope in favorable variance. I'm not picky.

letting your opponent be bad remains an incredibly strong strategy

75% of the Top4 lists at Worlds had no Force, and 50% had zero aces, going off memory.

1 minute ago, mcintma said:

75% of the Top4 lists at Worlds had no Force, and 50% had zero aces, going off memory.

Picking and choosing very specific sets of lists/positions for statements like this is one step away from lying with statistics. It's the equivalent of "see, mindlink is balanced" when the finals of the cut that was 80% mindlink ended up not being mindlink.

14 minutes ago, mcintma said:

75% of the Top4 lists at Worlds had no Force, and 50% had zero aces, going off memory.

100% of the worlds-winning lists in 2.0 are triple force aces 🤔

3 minutes ago, Brunas said:

Picking and choosing very specific sets of lists/positions for statements like this is one step away from lying with statistics. It's the equivalent of "see, mindlink is balanced" when the finals of the cut that was 80% mindlink ended up not being mindlink.

I don't think it gets much better in Top8 or 16 in terms of damning Force or Aces in particular, but I don't have time to run the numbers.

The obvious counterpoint to your statement, which is pretty extreme, to go on the opposite extreme would be: blind devotion to a position while ignoring real results is just as bad.

BTW, I think there are some undercosted Force users and aces like ObiWan (and some overcosted ones) - I just don't agree Force or aces across the board need a big nerf, because efficient swarms and assassins and Torkil and beef lists are right there already.

14 minutes ago, Brunas said:

Picking and choosing very specific sets of lists/positions for statements like this is one step away from lying with statistics. It's the equivalent of "see, mindlink is balanced" when the finals of the cut that was 80% mindlink ended up not being mindlink.

statistics as written