2 hours ago, Brunas said:

That's very similar to just doing a 1 turn after the roll, and you don't get an evade after the 3 turn anyways

You could even Ani-roll, 1-turn, and barrel roll to get out a bit further again.

2 hours ago, Boom Owl said:

Much more importantly...if N1 Anakin could take Precog with 1 more force charge?

Why can't you do this today with advanced sensors?

17 hours ago, Brunas said:

it hurts me that you actually read that, it was supposed to be so complicated no one cared anymore as a joke

Way to go, Marcel. One more Anakin in the community nerf crosshairs. Ruiner.

Is there a consensus yet on weather or not non-timing requirements must be met to enter into the ability que? E.g. Nantex's "if you are tractored" or Anikin's "if there is an enemy at range.."

I know the Aussies ruled they don't (for Ani anyway). Its going to be a clusterfrak if FFG doesn't deign to bless us with its divine wisdom on the matter before Wave 6 (I would say before pre-order but that out the window now). I need to know if my bug noodles are going to be soft or al dente

2 hours ago, gennataos said:

Way to go, Marcel. One more Anakin in the community nerf crosshairs. Ruiner.

IMO Passive Proton Annie is still the better version, but Marcel did great with him!

Daredevil AdSens Ric is nasty though.

2 hours ago, prauxim said:

Is there a consensus yet on weather or not non-timing requirements must be met to enter into the ability que? E.g. Nantex's "if you are tractored" or Anikin's "if there is an enemy at range.."

I know the Aussies ruled they don't (for Ani anyway). Its going to be a clusterfrak if FFG doesn't deign to bless us with its divine wisdom on the matter before Wave 6 (I would say before pre-order but that out the window now). I need to know if my bug noodles are going to be soft or al dente

The community at large is pretty consistently ruling that those effects don't need to be true to enter the ability queue. Which will make things like ensnare VERY exciting, lol

13 hours ago, Transmogrifier said:

One thing that is frustrating to me is that regen effectively alters the half point threshold so it's no longer half health. Delta 7b's without regen give up half points after 3/6 damage, but with R2 Astro they have to take 5/8 damage instead of 4/8. On such an elusive (and potentially expensive ship) that sort of edge has a lot of value.

This also has me wondering to what degree gas clouds are helping to create this meta where points preservation is such an important factor in list building and play. How essential are gas clouds to these archetypes? And if they are the straw breaking the camel's back, what tweaks would you like to see?

Ric with regen is 5/7, so you have to 'kill' him to halve him...

There was a Luke Xwing at Aus SOS that was effectively 7/10!

Having to overkill a ship to only get half due to regen is OTT.

Build: Luke + R2D2 + Spare Parts Canister

Any idea on when FFG will announce verification of the invites submitted for this year's form?

49 minutes ago, player3010587 said:

Any idea on when FFG will announce verification of the invites submitted for this year's form?

I was verified after I got the link from them to buy my ticket.

3 hours ago, Deffly said:

Ric with regen is 5/7, so you have to 'kill' him to halve him...

There was a Luke Xwing at Aus SOS that was effectively 7/10!

Having to overkill a ship to only get half due to regen is OTT.

Build: Luke + R2D2 + Spare Parts Canister

I flew against that on stream.

I decided to ignore Luke all game unless he was my only target, primarily because Rexler was still worth more than him so fit as an win con if he didn't get halved. The idea of chasing that with Jyn Erso and Jan Ors in the list was horrifying.

If this game was balanced the way you would like it to be, what percentage of games would go to time?

I think only 10% of games should go to time. Currently it seems like we're more at 80%+. I just don't like it. Not to mention how awful 6+ rounds of that feels.

23 minutes ago, ConspiracyTheorist said:

If this game was balanced the way you would like it to be, what percentage of games would go to time?

I think only 10% of games should go to time. Currently it seems like we're more at 80%+. I just don't like it. Not to mention how awful 6+ rounds of that feels.

I wouldn't do time. I'd do round limits, mebbe 10? champ rounds 15? also bids are scored for the other player automatically to encourage not camping in the corner.

Marcel has always been a special snowflake (we can smell our own, he's just way better), but I love seeing this trend continue. Take some known good stuff, throw in some of our own ideas and see how it shakes out. Use ListFortress and MetaWing to start the germination of ideas, not for copy-paste.

35 minutes ago, gennataos said:

Marcel has always been a special snowflake (we can smell our own, he's just way better), but I love seeing this trend continue. Take some known good stuff, throw in some of our own ideas and see how it shakes out. Use ListFortress and MetaWing to start the germination of ideas, not for copy-paste.

Snowflakes are cool, but I think its also worth celebrating players who just copy paste and practice a known good list until they understand every last nuance and have ironed out 100% of the simple mistakes from their game.

You dont really know how to run a list until you have gotten to the point that you have the best possible chance against all competitive archetypes. That can take months since its really hard to find good players that use all archetypes to practice against. And 2.0 is so **** good there a ton of archetypes to learn to counter.

Refining subtle decision making with an optimized list is its own kind of reward and takes dedication. Some might call it grinding a net list but its interesting in its own way. It wont get a shout out on yetanotherxwinghipster but it is pretty **** cool in its own right. Unironically sometimes players dont have their own good ideas ( me most of the time ).

As much as we **** on jedi, players who truly maximize a regen jedi lists power level is something i respect.

26 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

Snowflakes are cool, but I think its also worth celebrating players who just copy paste and practice a known good list until they understand every last nuance and have ironed out 100% of the simple mistakes from their game.

You dont really know how to run a list until you have gotten to the point that you have the best possible chance against all competitive archetypes. That can take months since its really hard to find good players that use all archetypes to practice against. And 2.0 is so **** good there a ton of archetypes to learn to counter.

Refining subtle decision making with an optimized list is its own kind of reward and takes dedication. Some might call it grinding a net list but its interesting in its own way. It wont get a shout out on yetanotherxwinghipster but it is pretty **** cool in its own right. Unironically sometimes players dont have their own good ideas ( me most of the time ).

As much as we **** on jedi, players who truly maximize a regen jedi lists power level is something i respect.

"But the net list I chose crushed in my one practice game against that one guy I always play against two days before my hyperspace. Why did I not get top 4?" - Local league player

As with any skill, the more time you put into it the better you're going to be. And the tools you use are going to make that effort pay off. Using proven tools is smart.

Some people don't want to play 20+ games with the same list. They just need to accept that they are not likely to make it to the top table.

1 hour ago, ConspiracyTheorist said:

If this game was balanced the way you would like it to be, what percentage of games would go to time?

I think only 10% of games should go to time. Currently it seems like we're more at 80%+. I just don't like it. Not to mention how awful 6+ rounds of that feels.

Then be aggressive, BE, BE AGGRESSIVE!!

seriously, a lot of people are more cagey with their list now, you want a game to not go to time that means getting in combat on round 2, Round 1 of you can swing it. Of course you will be punished for your utter lack of fancy maneuvers, but hey your game didn’t go to time, right?

While Jedi running and cloak shenanigans cause time issues at the top tables, at the bottom Very few shots have TL and Focus now, unless you have built your list for it (see Jendon). And while the number of shots blanking out hasn’t changed, the amount of moddable blanked out shots has.

Turns out when you slap a nerf bat on every shot then your fancy time limit doesn’t exactly work. Also the nature of 2.0 to lean heavily more on swarms (especially within the CIS faction), leads me to believe this is not a 75 minute game anymore, at least for competitions. However most games that seem to go to time (especially if they’ve gotten in the 11 round “standard”) seem very close, so I think 90 minute rounds are in order. This would shake up competitive, and you’d probably play less rounds overall, but it would solve allot of the going to time issue.

So basically:

no dice mods means less pew pew and games are going to be longer because of it. Competitive should adjust to this.

That or make bombs stupid cheap. Auto damage is fun! 🙃

(also have to see if snap shot does anything to shake this up).

1 hour ago, Boom Owl said:

Snowflakes are cool, but I think its also worth celebrating players who just copy paste and practice a known good list until they understand every last nuance and have ironed out 100% of the simple mistakes from their game.

You dont really know how to run a list until you have gotten to the point that you have the best possible chance against all competitive archetypes. That can take months since its really hard to find good players that use all archetypes to practice against. And 2.0 is so **** good there a ton of archetypes to learn to counter.

Refining subtle decision making with an optimized list is its own kind of reward and takes dedication. Some might call it grinding a net list but its interesting in its own way. It wont get a shout out on yetanotherxwinghipster but it is pretty **** cool in its own right. Unironically sometimes players dont have their own good ideas ( me most of the time ).

As much as we **** on jedi, players who truly maximize a regen jedi lists power level is something i respect.

I...don’t think I agree, but that’s not really what I was trying to say. I just think it’s cool that there’s so much variety.

12 minutes ago, gennataos said:

I...don’t think I agree, but that’s not really what I was trying to say. I just think it’s cool that there’s so much variety.

Sorry didnt really mean anything as a reply directly to what you posted. Your overall point that all the good lists arent on list fortress is 100% spot on.

Taking "good" lists and refining them is more what i was trying to get at.

Use em as starting points and refine them into something you use well. Or dont change the list at all and perfect it etc.

What do folks think the price difference will be between Rebel and Republic Y-Wings for same-initiative Generics?

https://strawpoll.com/dk1z97kg

The past two poles have not had Soontir Fel as an option. I am upset.

https://strawpoll.com/gp16fccs

4 hours ago, Boom Owl said:

https://strawpoll.com/gp16fccs

Worse, no FO TIE Bomber

On 9/8/2019 at 8:15 PM, Deffly said:

Build: Luke + R2D2 + Spare Parts Canister

Big fan of Boba Luke lately

I think I've gotten to the point that the only reason I want new ships to come out is to continue FFG support of the game. If they could guarantee the competitive scene would be supported and new players would continue to buy in, I couldn't care less if another new ship or upgrade was ever made. In fact, the chance that some new stupid card like snap shot ruining a perfectly wholesome game scares me more.

Which kinda leads me to my next though. How much longer do we have with this game until it goes the way of Imperial Assault and Armada? We run out of new stuff and the community slows down and OP support drops off. How long can this go on?