4 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:

The frequency does not seem to be the crux of the issue.

Fair.

1 minute ago, Boom Owl said:

It feels as simple as if some stuff is self bumping for multiple turns a judge will probably say something.
Everything after that? Maybe they say "move it along" to the infinite K-turns. Really cant imagine its frequently an issue.

I used to play a lot of hockey. Like, a lot. More than I play X-Wing now.

Hockey has a rule against passive play. If you're loitering in your own end just passing the puck from defenseman to defenseman, waiting for the other team to come and get the puck, the ref can call a penalty. I've never seen this penalty called. The ref just has to say "move it out" or "play the game" and suddenly people will play the game. I hope this same vague threat (with some pre-defined penalties for ignoring me) will be enough to get action out of players.

5 minutes ago, skotothalamos said:

I used to play a lot of hockey. Like, a lot. More than I play X-Wing now.

Hockey has a rule against passive play. If you're loitering in your own end just passing the puck from defenseman to defenseman, waiting for the other team to come and get the puck, the ref can call a penalty. I've never seen this penalty called. The ref just has to say "move it out" or "play the game" and suddenly people will play the game. I hope this same vague threat (with some pre-defined penalties for ignoring me) will be enough to get action out of players.

But what if the ref is wrong? I'm not sure humans are equipped for such contextual analysis.

I mean, the thing everyone is dancing around is this:

We are worried about bias - not like, bias in ability to analyze, but favoritism, right?

Speaking of Rebel Bias.

Are Scum Small Base Ships significantly worse than other factions or am I just bad at using Fang Fighters?

11 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:

I mean, the thing everyone is dancing around is this:

We are worried about bias - not like, bias in ability to analyze, but favoritism, right?

I'm not, actually... I'd just like to see a TO/Judge/Marshall call this out someplace noticeable to generate that ripple through the community to make some of these judges hiding behind RAW and complaining about the state of the game wake up. I'll be honest, I posted my initial question to do this.

5 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

Speaking of Rebel Bias.

Are Scum Small Base Ships significantly worse than other factions or am I just bad at using Fang Fighters?

yes.

38 minutes ago, gennataos said:

I feel bad when @Brunas spends his precious reacts on my posts which really don't provide any value. He runs out sometimes, and other people deserve those likes.

Don't worry, @Brunas reacts to nearly everything. He really wants people to get that dopamine rush for posting in this thread, thereby making said thread about his podcast reach 1K pages.

2 hours ago, Dismal Scientist said:

EJ is not on this thread to my knowledge. He plays at the same store I do in NWI.

Well time to unveil my suprise beacause I am E.J.

2 hours ago, gennataos said:

My bad. I assume too much!

Nope, you assumed right who I am. To be fair you did see a couple clues like my post on Facebook and a topic I created yesterday.

@player3010587 thanks again man, and really my Anakin just got insanely lucky that round.

15 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:

I mean, the thing everyone is dancing around is this:

We are worried about bias - not like, bias in ability to analyze, but favoritism, right?

Well yes, because there is no split into players and referees. Most TOs play themselves and are very well established in the community. We're friends here and depending on size event, the TO even plays. So if anyone from outside or new does something penalty worthy, the TO can't really enforce it because he will directly benefit or his friends will.

Xwing is too small to get dedicated TOs on anything below SOS or nationals. And I the TO playing or not doesn't matter - the intricate connection with the players does.

Just now, GreenDragoon said:

Well yes, because there is no split into players and referees. Most TOs play themselves and are very well established in the community. We're friends here and depending on size event, the TO even plays. So if anyone from outside or new does something penalty worthy, the TO can't really enforce it because he will directly benefit or his friends will.

Xwing is too small to get dedicated TOs on anything below SOS or nationals. And I the TO playing or not doesn't matter - the intricate connection with the players does.

So, given that TOs can (and do) already do what they want... am I ruining the illusion?

1 minute ago, GreenDragoon said:

Well yes, because there is no split into players and referees. Most TOs play themselves and are very well established in the community. We're friends here and depending on size event, the TO even plays. So if anyone from outside or new does something penalty worthy, the TO can't really enforce it because he will directly benefit or his friends will.

Xwing is too small to get dedicated TOs on anything below SOS or nationals. And I the TO playing or not doesn't matter - the intricate connection with the players does.

Interesting... I'd be curious how often REVERSE BIAS comes into play from a TO as well... "C'mon buddy, you know better than to call me over to the table. No, that ship is totally out of arc."

34 minutes ago, gennataos said:

Non sequitur #2:

My preferred list building style is based upon the following, in descending order of importance:

1. Preferred pilots
2. Theme
3. Alt arts owned
4. Special tokens owned
5. Is it good?

With the addendum that, for me, sometimes theme is a silly name I made up.

Major In-Vess-Tment is Vessery with the two majors. Derp squadron is Porkins with every rebel bumping ship I can. He’d, Arvel, and some Blount and bandit action so I basically spend all game doing red moves and intentionally bumping. Why? Because flying like a drunken moose is fun on occasion.

8 minutes ago, player3010587 said:

Don't worry, @Brunas reacts to nearly everything. He really wants people to get that dopamine rush for posting in this thread, thereby making said thread about his podcast reach 1K pages.

Yeah, I know. He can't be bothered to react based upon merit.

7 minutes ago, KiraYamatoSF said:

Well time to unveil my suprise beacause I am E.J.

Nope, you assumed right who I am. To be fair you did see a couple clues like my post on Facebook and a topic I created yesterday.

I knew there was a reason I thought it was you. Sleep deprivation FTL. I did get a hold of Nick about your templates and he told me he had gotten in contact with you (and that you're kind of hosed and have to get FFGOP to help out).

30 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:

But what if the ref is wrong?

The ref is always wrong when he calls a penalty on my team and always right when he calls one on the other team. This balances him out to a perfectly-neutral state and is the illusory foundation upon which all Beer Leagues are built.

1 minute ago, jagsba said:

yes.

@Boom Owl to expand. I think Fangs are stupid good when you put them in the right places, but it takes a lot of time to learn where the right places are, and sometimes there aren't any.
Mining guild ties don't have howlrunner
Zeds are so happy to pay a point to not use an illicit
starvipers are apparently phantoms?

I really feel like scum could use a beefy small ship, a kihrahxz or something would go a long way to smoothing out the way they play in hyperspace.

3 hours ago, GreenDragoon said:

The interesting question: who was wrong?

• 12 reds vs 13, so the republic player is less wrong to remain in his start zone
• 2 green dice on a Torrent means the Starvipers at range 2 have a 63% chance to remove it entirely, and 92% to get half points. Even at range 3, a Torrent will give up points 73% of the time.
• Conversely, the chance to take an entire Starviper off the board at range 2 is much smaller (25%) and 68% to get half points (assuming Luminara won't shoot).
• Half Starviper is 25, full Torrent is 25.
• That means the republic player gets the better joust AND better final salvo.
• Based on that I'd say the Starviper guy has to catch part of the republic list, grab some points and then run.

My plan was pretty much this. Run the clock out and engage at the last round. Use my moving second with reposition ability to engage offsides 3-4 vipers vs 1-2 Torrents and either take 2 or less damage while halfing a Torrent (win outright)or kill a torrent for half a viper (roll 12v11 salvo instead of 12v13).

When both players want to fortress, both of them are wrong.

4 minutes ago, skotothalamos said:

When both players want to fortress, both of them are wrong.

Or FFG is wrong

11 minutes ago, gennataos said:

I knew there was a reason I thought it was you. Sleep deprivation FTL. I did get a hold of Nick about your templates and he told me he had gotten in contact with you (and that you're kind of hosed and have to get FFGOP to help out).

Yeah, just waiting on a reply now. I have always heard good things about their customer service stuff so hopefully it goes well.

3 minutes ago, Quack Shot said:

Or FFG is wrong

We are powerless.

FFG - please help.

4 hours ago, svelok said:

This is without a doubt the worst game of X-Wing 2.0 I've ever seen - thanks, California.

TL;DW:

• 4x Starvipers LARP as Phantoms and curve roll into one turns for 75 minutes.
• Across the table, 4x Torrents k-turn up and down their board edge for 75 minutes.
• Sinker and Luminara fortress into each other for most of 75 minutes, until, with 6 minutes left on the clock, Sinker finally breaks the fortress only to dial in the wrong 3-bank and fly off the mat.
• Finally, as the round goes to time, the 4 Vipers and 4 Torrents joust each other for exactly one turn of dice rolls and do irrelevant damage.
• Meanwhile, the casters slip deeper and deeper into depression comas as they watch no ship leave its deployment zone for over an hour.

This was the final of a hyperspace trial with a whopping 89 players.

I have faced Mitch before at various tournaments. Here is more of his style of play if anyone is interested. Its up to you to decide if this is fortress or not.

The bigger question is...

Who is this guy calling on the phone during an x-wing tournament?

31 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:

So, given that TOs can (and do) already do what they want... am I ruining the illusion?

Haha yeah. I fully agree, but I think that's obvious. How do you get "the community (tm)" to agree?

11 minutes ago, IceManHG said:

I have faced Mitch before at various tournaments. Here is more of his style of play if anyone is interested. Its up to you to decide if this is fortress or not.

This looks like so much fun.

Why even play at that point?