What about 5x TIEsf with Optics/Homing/Ion Missiles. 30hp behind 2 greens with good dial and consistent dmg (Optics) or annoying missiles that can be shoot backwards (Homing/Ion).

11 minutes ago, hawk32 said:

I was elected to lead, not read.

1 hour ago, Brunas said:

Yep, got lost in the madness.

That being said, I don't think having your falcon evade is very useful now, especially on Han. It's extremely likely you just roll into an evade, and actually over iterated range 3 shots a focus might be straight better.

I like Jyn in Extended because typically you have Kanan, so minifocus/Evade is good for those range 3 shots and multiple shots. In Hyperspace though it is mainly useful when you throw Han into the scrum since he’s so tanky with R2-D2, and his ability plus an evade is close to being reinforced and a good chance you get double tokens.

1 hour ago, Tlfj200 said:

Tac or lando on U-Wing:

I've fiddled with it. Lando was great, but a bit of bias because he got a lot of double tokens in the games I played.

I think I still go with him, because Leia can be a big target, those extra tokens are great when they happen, and definitely better than passing your action to another ship and then getting lit up tokenless.

3 hours ago, pheaver said:

I'm pretty sure if you are running First Order and not using Scorch, you are doing it wrong. Unless it's a combo list like 3up, Scorch fits in pretty easily. 35 points (or 41 with Fanatic Optics) for a 4/3/3/3/1 statline? Sign me up!

Backdraft, Quickdraw, and Midnight are all effective ships that aren't too pricey. I haven't tried Silencers since the points change, myself.

Fanatic Optics First Order Test Pilots are Scorch's initiative and come in at 64 points. But they are awkward to fit with Scorch unless you're only using one in a list, as they really like Upsilons to function as area denial and support.

Teach us scrubs the ways of properly utilizing Backdraft! Unless the gap between him and Quickdraw increases form the 4 it currently is, I'm finding it difficult to take him in lists that need only 1 SF fighter.

Has anyone seen Hyperspace Trial prizes yet? I know spain jumped the gun and had one with old points last week. Did they have official FFG Hyperspace Trial prizes?

5 minutes ago, skotothalamos said:

Has anyone seen Hyperspace Trial prizes yet? I know spain jumped the gun and had one with old points last week. Did they have official FFG Hyperspace Trial prizes?

They have not released them yet. I demand to see the fancy dice!

9 hours ago, Scott Pilgrim2 said:

They have not released them yet. I demand to see the fancy dice!

The poeple deserve to know!

13 hours ago, Scott Pilgrim2 said:

They have not released them yet. I demand to see the fancy dice!

Armada and Imperial Assault have translucent regional dice this year, so there's a good chance the dice will be similar for X-Wing.

15 hours ago, player3010587 said:

Teach us scrubs the ways of properly utilizing Backdraft! Unless the gap between him and Quickdraw increases form the 4 it currently is, I'm finding it difficult to take him in lists that need only 1 SF fighter.

Hmm 🤔 What to teach? Just look at the numbers:

For 41 pts you got Ini4, 6HP with great hull/shield ratio, 2 greens, excellent dial and double arc 3+2 reds! All without any upgrades.

Just look at other factions equivalents (3 reds):

Ini1 X-wing T65 with everything worst (dial, hull/shield ratio, single arc) is also 41 pts, cheapest Khirax Ini2 is 40pts etc

Backdraft is all about efficiency. Just don't try to make him second Quickdraw and don't overload him with upgrades (I advice not to take Gunner in first place)

1 hour ago, Oldpara said:

Hmm 🤔 What to teach? Just look at the numbers:

For 41 pts you got Ini4, 6HP with great hull/shield ratio, 2 greens, excellent dial and double arc 3+2 reds! All without any upgrades.

Just look at other factions equivalents (3 reds):

Ini1 X-wing T65 with everything worst (dial, hull/shield ratio, single arc) is also 41 pts, cheapest Khirax Ini2 is 40pts etc

Backdraft is all about efficiency. Just don't try to make him second Quickdraw and don't overload him with upgrades (I advice not to take Gunner in first place)

Yeah, I think Backdraft's primary selling point is that he doesn't need Gunner to get 3 red dice.

18 hours ago, Scott Pilgrim2 said:

They have not released them yet. I demand to see the fancy dice!

So Spain held a hyperspace trial out of season, with no kit, and after the points update but forced people to play with the old points because lists had to be submitted the day before?

Did they offer to pay everyone who went, because that's the only way I would even consider going to something like that.

More FO List building because its fun to talk about.

Tavson+QD+Kylo felt solid. Lets you coordinate QD and then they have to choose between shooting QD or Tavson while Kylo runs around.

Other options:

Option 1: 199 pts

• Supernatural is still really good...

Option 2: 199 pts

• I think I prefer Primed Thrusters on Superless Kylo but the consistency of Force Charges and Advanced Optics isnt terrible either.
• Not sold on Hate being worth the possibility of losing a Bid against the many other I5s, its nice when defending against multiple shots I guess.
• Can drop Phasma here for better chance at that and to Lock with midnight.

5 hours ago, Oldpara said:

Hmm 🤔 What to teach? Just look at the numbers:

For 41 pts you got Ini4, 6HP with great hull/shield ratio, 2 greens, excellent dial and double arc 3+2 reds! All without any upgrades.

Just look at other factions equivalents (3 reds):

Ini1 X-wing T65 with everything worst (dial, hull/shield ratio, single arc) is also 41 pts, cheapest Khirax Ini2 is 40pts etc

Backdraft is all about efficiency. Just don't try to make him second Quickdraw and don't overload him with upgrades (I advice not to take Gunner in first place)

What about Pattern Analyzer so as to get the first shot out the aft? Ironically, that is Quickdraw's toy to keep enemies in the fore!

55 minutes ago, player3010587 said:

What about Pattern Analyzer so as to get the first shot out the aft? Ironically, that is Quickdraw's toy to keep enemies in the fore!

The old Kath Scarlet Trick!

That's no space station, it's a moon!

1 hour ago, player3010587 said:

What about Pattern Analyzer so as to get the first shot out the aft? Ironically, that is Quickdraw's toy to keep enemies in the fore!

Can you do an *action*-Rotate with PA tho? There isn't a "Rotate" alone action on their bar.

5 minutes ago, impspy said:

Can you do an *action*-Rotate with PA tho? There isn't a "Rotate" alone action on their bar.

You can still do a linked action with Pattern Analyzer. So Lock to Rotate, Focus to Rotate, etc.

20 minutes ago, impspy said:

Can you do an *action*-Rotate with PA tho? There isn't a "Rotate" alone action on their bar.

Even so, start the game with arc in back. The backdraft main said he doesn't take the gunner, so there thus are only negatives for it being in the fore unless you like missiles.

10 hours ago, Boom Owl said:

Lieutenant Tavson — Upsilon-Class Command Shuttle
62

Hyperspace Tracking Data2

Captain Phasma5

Ship Total: 69

If you're including Phasma I feel like Thanisson is the better choice. 2 points cheaper, the PS difference is mostly meaningless but makes them a better blocker, no talent anyways. But that tractor making the whole area in front of you a no red move/linked action zone and letting you be a mini (huge?) tug rolling them onto a rock when Phasma goes off is too good to pass up.

Absent Phasma though Tavson all the way

So how do I fit the Decimator into my HS lists with the upgrades shown? The default RAC/Tua build isn't gonna work.

Death Trooper Oicunn seems fun but not sure if it's good:

Captain Oicunn — VT-49 Decimator	78
Intimidation	3
Death Troopers	6
Veteran Turret Gunner	6
Dauntless	4
Ship Total: 97
Half Points: 49 Threshold: 8

7 minutes ago, impspy said:

So how do I fit the Decimator into my HS lists with the upgrades shown? The default RAC/Tua build isn't gonna work.

Decimators got cheaper and you still can’t fit them in? What are you trying to pair with RAC?

Just now, FlyingAnchors said:

Decimators got cheaper and you still can’t fit them in? What are you trying to pair with RAC?

Another RAC.

1 minute ago, FlyingAnchors said:

Decimators got cheaper and you still can’t fit them in? What are you trying to pair with RAC?

Just now, Tlfj200 said:

Another RAC.

My question was more of a "ok, how do I best rework my lists to get a Deci in" rather than an "ugh, I can't possibly find a way to make it fit into any HS list I'd wanna fly."

3 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:

Another RAC.

The only acceptable answer.

1 minute ago, impspy said:

My question was more of a "ok, how do I best rework my lists to get a Deci in" rather than an "ugh, I can't possibly find a way to make it fit into any HS list I'd wanna fly."

Oh okay. Well in that case, if you want RAC you probably need to free up 90 points or so, so you can give him some upgrades. You can go the barebones route and just take a generic for 72.

Either way, unless you’re planning on only running a 2 ship list, SNR is definitely out of the picture if you want to do RAC+Vader+

2 minutes ago, FlyingAnchors said:

Oh okay. Well in that case, if you want RAC you probably need to free up 90 points or so, so you can give him some upgrades. You can go the barebones route and just take a generic for 72.

Either way, unless you’re planning on only running a 2 ship list, SNR is definitely out of the picture if you want to do RAC+Vader+

89 points for Trickshot/Hotshot RAC seems good with what was in the spread. Unless they're hiding Tua in the stack to the right I think that's the way to go.